This message was posted by signman on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/2/1224.html#000004 Before you go to the expense of buying new hoops...find someone else close to you that would do some hats with YOUR hoops on THEIR machine and see what happens! If they are close enough that you don't have to ship the hoops to them but can bring them over yourself, maybe they can help you out with some 'this is how I do it' training! I know if you were close enough to us I'd be more than happy to do it...and I also hate hats but only because we just can't make enough of them per hour to make a decent profit... as for distorting the hat, you DO have to 'flatten' out that brim to get it to stay down-but don't worry-it comes back into shape after you are done with it. Just have to 'roll' it with your hand and the shape is back. Works for us. And if the hat is properly hooped, the brim should not rub on the back of the needle head. The WACF frame has the 'clamp' for it-and if you use the CCF (old style) hat hoop like we do, you can buy a 'conversion' kit that is mini 'bungee cord' setup that works great. That's all we use here-the WACF is under the counter in a box somewhere collecting dust... =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================