I haven't been following this thread Ron...caught just the last message. Sounds like what I'm running into (besides the problem with converting) I tried changing graphic sizes on several jobs last nite-to see if I could change one I did last month and add a 'grill' from dakota into it...and designshop pro will not let me scale anything-either through 'scale' in properties or by grab and drag in the window. So I don't think she's alone in this problem! It s the first logo I've tried changing sizes since I upgraded the program with Jeff....he had me install the upgrades without uninstalling the original. Roland