This message was posted by signman on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/61.html#000004 The CCF frame is called the 'black hoop' because it has the black cover on the 'loop' around the frame. The company that makes them has a different color for the different machines that they fit. The WACF doesn't have this 'loop' but a totally different hooping method. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================