This message was posted by FME540 on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/1/727.html#000008 Ed, It looks like you've got a pretty good handle on the hoops. You are correct, the largest square possible is 14.5 by 14.5. Any larger square will hit the hoop. Luckily most designs have rounded corners like the hoops. Like I said earlier, always run the trace and watch the laser. Let me know if you have any other questions. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================