This message was posted by Mike Garber on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/346.html#000002 Roland, I have used the WACF before. 2 pieces of backing, tighten the strap as tight as it will go, pull the band only out and hoop just it. The brim will be on the sewing side of the hoop. Hope that makes sense... Mike =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================