Thank you Herb - that's just the info I was looking for. Sometimes things go relative well other times not so good like last night. Spent nearly 2 hours getting a 21,000 stitch name (2" tall) to sew on fleece. Have done this enough times to think I know what I'm suppose to be doing but constantly was getting fraying thread breaks. MT, bobbin, roller, new needle changes etc did not seem to matter! It is a balancing act and I fell ..... Terri