[amayausers] Re: Amaya Specific Digitizers Myth
- From: "John Yaglenski" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:43:39 -0500
Hey Anand:
So you are saying I am full of crap? It's not mythical - it's fact.
Someone who has an Amaya knows how best to digitize for it. Plain and
simple. Same goes with any machine. Getting something to "run" and getting
something to "run well" are quite different things.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kesavan
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:35 PM
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [amayausers] Amaya Specific Digitizers Myth
All my designs that run on my tajima and happy run on my Amaya. I =
don=92t
think we should create a Mythical group of Amaya specific digitizers
Anand
John, Bob,
My personal opinion on "Amaya specific" digitizing....... I do believe
that=20
the digitizer who "owns an Amaya, and who verifies the digitized designs
on=20
the Amaya is a definite plus for the customer. That is not to say that
there=20
are not some really good digitizers out there that are savy to the
different=20
quirks of the different embroidery machines on the market.
It is very difficult to digitize for caps with some designs....How do
you as=20
the digitizer quote a fair price and not verify a complex design on a
cap or=20
two or three. Do we throw in the cost of these caps on the digitizing
cost,=20
thereby raising the price of the digitized design? Do we come up with a
make=20
shift, make believe cap to put on the cap driver to verify the
design......?=20
It is a time consuming affair at best and usually not very profitable,=20
taking into consideration the time factor. Those people that choose to
sub=20
out their digitizing are not completely dumb. Sure, the simple, easy to
put=20
together logo or name, etc.......those are things that you can take care
of=20
yourself, but throw in a complicated, complex design and it very quickly
gets to the point of ridiculous with the time factor.
Digitizing for flats is always a challenge by it's self and then CAPS!!!
I=20
have found I can now do pretty fair at digitizing most designs for a
cap=20
but still struggle with oval and/or circular borders pulling,
stretching,=20
distorting and God only knows what else. Each brand and style of cap can
exhibit a different characteristic with the same design, making it
necessary=20
to then, "edit" the design slightly.
Using good underlay techniques is critical to getting some caps to sew
out=20
well. Nailing down the center seam on a cap by adding a manual double=20
zigzag across the seam and/or filling the seam line with vertical
stitching=20
and then using a wider manual cross hatch underlay over the rest of the=20
design, will help tack the cap down and not allow for the cap to move or
shift or whatever it does to mess up the sew out. Oh, and then given a=20
perfectly digitized design......nothing can correct for an improperly
hooped=20
cap. If it is loose and floppy, ,,,,, well, kind of like the old
computer=20
programmer saying,,,,,,,,,,garbage in, garbage out!!!
Now having said all that, does the Amaya need to be digitized for=20
specifically? I would say there are some "ifs" involved in that
question.=20
The biggest "if" is the speed at which you want to operate at. The
faster=20
the speed, the more the different materials are going to "pull/push." So
digitizing and being able to verify at high speed is a plus. The fact
that=20
the Amaya is more precise in its needle placement will create narrower=20
columns making it necessary for the operator to add some extra pull comp
in=20
these areas......
The technology introduced into the Amaya software and the design of the=20
machine has just made it necessary for the operator to "learn" new ways
to=20
embroidery. The Amaya/Design Shop software has given the operator
tremendous=20
flexibility ,but, only "if" ( there is that "if" word again), they are
open=20
and willing to take on this new learning curve.
I would hesitate going so far as to say that the Amaya "must" be
digitized=20
for specifically. If this were the case, you would not be able to sew
out=20
any of the pre-digitized designs from , Dakota, Great Notions,
Embroidery=20
Library, etc......with success. Will editing these designs by reducing
the=20
stitch counts, tweaking the densities, stitch lengths, etc, help them to
sew=20
better on the Amaya...you bet. But even a good digitizer will send
someone=20
a design that has been digitized on his Amaya, will need some minor
tweaking=20
on the customers machine. The differences in machines, the different=20
materials, backings, hooping techniques, needles, threads...the list
goes=20
on.......it just means that the digitizer hopes to get it "right" as
close=20
as they can.....regardless of the machine used.
Was that ...wishy---washy enough for a long winded answer ;-)).
Rod Springer
Melco Certified Tech
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "John Yaglenski" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 11:31 PM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: Amaya Specific Digitizers
> Thanks - I think it's time I go to sleep - between the one design=20
> kicking
> my
> butt and trying to get a design digitized properly for a cap (that
sews=20
> out
> fine and looks great on flats - but gets mega distorted on caps) has
left
> about 5 caps in the trash so far. Grrr. So much still to learn....
>
> Sometimes, it's best to just give up and attack fresh in the morning!
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kushnerick
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:32 AM
> To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [amayausers] Re: Amaya Specific Digitizers
>
> Now that you mention it John ... I think you are right. The business=20
> of Amaya specific digitizing did come up before. Not that I remember=20
> any details or even if there were any. Will have to check the=20
> archives.
>
> Having access to a digitizer who uses the same software as you use=20
> [DesignShop] and is able to provide you with a native file, certainly=20
> can be an advantage.
>
> I know a good digitizer who uses DesignShop Pro ..... just not sure if
> they understand the needs of the Amaya [whatever that may be]. They=20
> did belong to this group at one time [and likely still do] so if they=20
> think they can help, I'm sure you will hear from them.
>
> Good luck .
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Yaglenski wrote:
>
>>I think we have been over this before Bob if I'm not mistaken... =20
>>Someone who runs this machine will understand it's in's and out's,=20
>>what it's strengths are and what it's weaknesses are and can play=20
>>towards them. Granted, good digitizing is good digitizing, but I doubt
>>anyone would say all machines sew exactly the same or that a design=20
>>sewn out on 10 different machines will sew out exactly the same on any
>>two. 90% of the time,
> generic
>>designs will work fine with little editing. The one I am working on=20
>>right now doesn't seem to want to sew out well, so I want to see what=20
>>someone on the list can do with it who is more proficient in=20
>>digitizing than I.
>>
>>Also, converting .dst files isn't exactly the same as using a native=20
>>file format of design shop.
>>
>>Just looking for a digitizer who digitizes in Design Shop and actually
>>uses
>>and understands an Amaya.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
>>[mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kushnerick
>>Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:16 AM
>>To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [amayausers] Re: Amaya Specific Digitizers
>>
>>John
>>I can't help with your design but was wondering what is an Amaya=20
>>specific design ?
>>
>>If a quality digitized design stitches well on other machines, what=20
>>needs to be changed to make it an Amaya design ?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Bob
>>
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