[amayausers] Re: Amaya Specific Digitizers
- From: "Rod or Sharon" <springer37@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:21:22 -0600
Hi Bob,
Rod is out of the computer room right now so I will say that the Amaya was
designed to sew with Organ needles. We use the DBX K5 size75/11 BP for most
things. If sewing heavy items such as a Carhart coat, we will change to an
80/12 sharp. If we want nice, crisp small lettering, we will use a 65/9 and
a 60 weight thread. Ball points for knits and sharps for woven fabrics.
However, do we ALWAYS change our needles---no, not always. Should we? Yes,
to get the very best stitchouts from all we have been taught. I don't want
a nice knit shirt leaving here looking great then have it laundered by the
customer and a "run" in the shirt happen because we used a sharp needle and
cut a thread. We are careful to check needles for burrs just to avoid
problems with any fraying or breaking of thread. So, with all that being
said, if I had to choose just one needle as our most used needle, it would
be a DBX K5 size 75/11 BP.
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kushnerick" <bkushner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 2:09 PM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: Amaya Specific Digitizers
> Rod
>
> Certainly not wishy - washy at all and no arguments from me on anything
> you said.
>
> For many of us, caps [along with other things like very light nylon or
> knits, leather, silk, etc.] certainly do offer challenges. I think we
> all have learned new words of one sort or another when stitching these
> items.
>
> There are always many variables in embroidery plus I know different
> brands, models and even individual machines can stitch differently but
> as someone who does not have an Amaya, I was just wondering what
> constitutes a good Amaya design as compared to the same design for a
> SWF, Tajima or Barudan ? If it is something like removal of unnecessary
> short stitches [perhaps less than 1mm - 1.5mm], to me that should be
> done in all designs for all machines. If its a matter of a good Amaya
> design trying to avoid long column stitching [for example 12mm], then
> again I think all brands of machines would benefit from shorter column
> stitching.
>
> Just out of curiosity, is there a needle[s] which is favored by the
> Amaya. Over the years we have tried a number of different types, points
> and brands of needles but in the end, found a single needle that we now
> use for virtually all our stitching. Seldom do we have a need to change
> to a different needle type or size anymore.
>
> Have a great day
>
> Bob
>
>
> .
>
> Rod or Sharon wrote:
>
>>John, Bob,
>>My personal opinion on "Amaya specific" digitizing....... I do believe
>>that
>>the digitizer who "owns an Amaya, and who verifies the digitized designs
>>on
>>the Amaya is a definite plus for the customer. That is not to say that
>>there
>>are not some really good digitizers out there that are savy to the
>>different
>>quirks of the different embroidery machines on the market.
>>
>>It is very difficult to digitize for caps with some designs....How do you
>>as
>>the digitizer quote a fair price and not verify a complex design on a cap
>>or
>>two or three. Do we throw in the cost of these caps on the digitizing
>>cost,
>>thereby raising the price of the digitized design? Do we come up with a
>>make
>>shift, make believe cap to put on the cap driver to verify the
>>design......?
>>It is a time consuming affair at best and usually not very profitable,
>>taking into consideration the time factor. Those people that choose to sub
>>out their digitizing are not completely dumb. Sure, the simple, easy to
>>put
>>together logo or name, etc.......those are things that you can take care
>>of
>>yourself, but throw in a complicated, complex design and it very quickly
>>gets to the point of ridiculous with the time factor.
>>
>>Digitizing for flats is always a challenge by it's self and then CAPS!!! I
>>have found I can now do pretty fair at digitizing most designs for a cap
>>but still struggle with oval and/or circular borders pulling, stretching,
>>distorting and God only knows what else. Each brand and style of cap can
>>exhibit a different characteristic with the same design, making it
>>necessary
>>to then, "edit" the design slightly.
>>
>>Using good underlay techniques is critical to getting some caps to sew out
>>well. Nailing down the center seam on a cap by adding a manual double
>>zigzag across the seam and/or filling the seam line with vertical
>>stitching
>>and then using a wider manual cross hatch underlay over the rest of the
>>design, will help tack the cap down and not allow for the cap to move or
>>shift or whatever it does to mess up the sew out. Oh, and then given a
>>perfectly digitized design......nothing can correct for an improperly
>>hooped
>>cap. If it is loose and floppy, ,,,,, well, kind of like the old computer
>>programmer saying,,,,,,,,,,garbage in, garbage out!!!
>>
>>Now having said all that, does the Amaya need to be digitized for
>>specifically? I would say there are some "ifs" involved in that question.
>>The biggest "if" is the speed at which you want to operate at. The faster
>>the speed, the more the different materials are going to "pull/push." So
>>digitizing and being able to verify at high speed is a plus. The fact
>>that
>>the Amaya is more precise in its needle placement will create narrower
>>columns making it necessary for the operator to add some extra pull comp
>>in
>>these areas......
>>
>>The technology introduced into the Amaya software and the design of the
>>machine has just made it necessary for the operator to "learn" new ways to
>>embroidery. The Amaya/Design Shop software has given the operator
>>tremendous
>>flexibility ,but, only "if" ( there is that "if" word again), they are
>>open
>>and willing to take on this new learning curve.
>>
>>I would hesitate going so far as to say that the Amaya "must" be digitized
>>for specifically. If this were the case, you would not be able to sew out
>>any of the pre-digitized designs from , Dakota, Great Notions, Embroidery
>>Library, etc......with success. Will editing these designs by reducing the
>>stitch counts, tweaking the densities, stitch lengths, etc, help them to
>>sew
>>better on the Amaya...you bet. But even a good digitizer will send
>>someone
>>a design that has been digitized on his Amaya, will need some minor
>>tweaking
>>on the customers machine. The differences in machines, the different
>>materials, backings, hooping techniques, needles, threads...the list goes
>>on.......it just means that the digitizer hopes to get it "right" as close
>>as they can.....regardless of the machine used.
>>
>>Was that ...wishy---washy enough for a long winded answer ;-)).
>>
>>Rod Springer
>>Melco Certified Tech
>>
>>
>
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