Interesting opinions. I believe that we are grafted in. The original is cut
off to be grafted in later. There is a scripture for that. However this
debate has veered away from the humble understanding that again a 3lb brain
doesn't and couldn't fathom the plans of the father. I receive my treasures
are in heaven if I could only be satisfied by being "right" in the
Eyes of men I would be found in want around every turn. However I respect
everyone and their opinions.
Baird
On Mon, Aug 8, 2022, 7:55 AM Dr. Bob Huntsman <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
It is interesting to see how un-christian some christians can be. Their
attitude, verbiage, and manner in how they portray themselves. But it is
the scripture they miss that is most telling. They never quote John_14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments. The reason is because they DO NOT keep
His commandments. Or try this, 1John_2:6 He that saith he abideth in him
ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. Christians DO NOT walk as
He walked. Christians say the sinners prayer but they don't know what it
means. So look at this, 1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth
also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. So christians are
sinners because they violate torah, yet they denounce torah. Christians
claim to be under the New Covenant, but they are not. In Jeremiah 31 it
says, :31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new
covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in
the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of
Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them,
saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house
of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their
inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they
shall be my people.
Since christians are not Israel, nor do they accept the law, then He is
not their God, and they are not His people.
And in Hebrews it says the same thing, Heb 8:8 For finding fault with
them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a
new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in
the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt;
because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith
the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of
Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their
mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they
shall be to me a people:
But what christians miss most is that the Messiah sets aside one whole day
to spend with His people, and christians tell Him to pound sand because
they are too busy for Him. Then the next day they gather at a church and
tell each other how great and wonderful they are. But the Messiah set the
standard, If you LOVE me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS. Christians reject His
commandments. So they are NOT His people. They do not walk as He walked.
When the universe looks down on earth to see which team people are on,
they know that only the Messiahs team walks as He walked. That leaves
christians out.
On 8/7/2022 6:45 PM, lance hagen wrote:
You still act for Satan
*says 4th Verses 13 to 18*. [13] But I would not have you to be ignorant,
brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as
others which have no hope. [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose
again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him
On Sun, Aug 7, 2022, 8:37 PM Aéius Cercle of Quantum-Note(Law-Division) <
Law@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Nor are my earliest of memories of this Universe either; why are you
claiming that I do not believe that Jesus most-certainly «incarnated» here
(from the other Universe which is the SAME Universe of MY memories) then
returned back to that Universe wherein «Father» indeed is there ? Just
because I am using «modern-day vocabulary» to describe things *more
accurately* does *not* mean that I do not understand/comprehend the
«context» behind the original-writings.
Let me parallel something in order to make it a bit more clear...:
The serpent was hidden within the grass and whispered into the ear of Eve
(ancient records).
The negative-entity was invisible within the light-spectrum that is
invisible to mortal-eyes and telepathically projected/implanted its
mischevious/devious thoughts into the mind of Eve (absolutely no way would
anybody have understood this vocabulary back then and thus required such
parables but now can be updated to describe the metaphorical-story of how
we are ALL prone to being subjected to the SAME ancient-serpent if we are
not careful of what «thoughts» that we allow to revolve in our minds)...
On 2022/08/07 18:39, lance hagen wrote:
You talk of other worlds and other dimensions that Jesus said I am not of
this world he came from his father and he goes to his father yet you don't
believe so that's your sin you call the father a liar if you had known the
truth which is Jesus Christ you'd have gladly rejoice
On Sun, Aug 7, 2022, 7:37 PM Aéius Cercle of Quantum-Note(Law-Division) <
Law@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I will trust the words that were written/penned/typed by The very
Messiah himself rather than «sinful» scribes/mortals who apparently could
not record anything accurately nor in FULL-CONTEXT of what was *actually
*said/preached/taught...
*http://www.the-testament-of-truth.com/truth/web/gospel.htm
<http://www.the-testament-of-truth.com/truth/web/gospel.htm>* (the TRUE
«Salvation-Gospels»)
*http://www.the-testament-of-truth.com/truth/web/inner.htm
<http://www.the-testament-of-truth.com/truth/web/inner.htm>*
The TEACHINGS of The Messiah ARE the way, the truth, and the life...
NOBODY sees our Holy Parents in Heaven EXCEPT via the FOLLOWING of said
TEACHINGS... (and, back then, his disciples referred to him as TEACHER; yes
they did, for, *that* was what they called him, and, his wisdom came
*directly* from Him, God).
As the Messiah's voluntary successor in an attempt to carry on his
teachings from where he left off I can see that there is apparently a LOT
of work remaining to «*correct* the TRUTH» on earth for a variety of
reasons; anybody who wishes to be TRULY «saved» I suggest you NOT
skip/ignore the information in the links above (and repeated below) and
read it in its ENTIRETY (all the way from gospel.html to gospel1.htm
gospel2.htm gospel3.htm etc., all the way through unto gospel16.htm).
*http://www.the-testament-of-truth.com/truth/web/gospel.htm
<http://www.the-testament-of-truth.com/truth/web/gospel.htm>*
*http://www.the-testament-of-truth.com/clem/forgive/essenes.htm
<http://www.the-testament-of-truth.com/clem/forgive/essenes.htm>*
(comparison
gospel-texts between then and now)
*http://www.the-testament-of-truth.com/truth/web/heaven.htm
<http://www.the-testament-of-truth.com/truth/web/heaven.htm>* (Heaven's
Decrees as to what BARS one from Heaven)
On 2022/08/07 17:31, lance hagen wrote:
John 14:6
New International Version
6 Jesus answered, “I am(A
<https://www-biblegateway-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&interface=amp&search=John%2014%3A6&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D&version=NIV#cen-NIV-26675A>
) the way(B
<https://www-biblegateway-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&interface=amp&search=John%2014%3A6&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D&version=NIV#cen-NIV-26675B>
) and the truth(C
<https://www-biblegateway-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&interface=amp&search=John%2014%3A6&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D&version=NIV#cen-NIV-26675C>
) and the life.(D
<https://www-biblegateway-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&interface=amp&search=John%2014%3A6&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D&version=NIV#cen-NIV-26675D>
) No one comes to the Father except through me.(E
<https://www-biblegateway-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&interface=amp&search=John%2014%3A6&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D&version=NIV#cen-NIV-26675E>
)
On Sun, Aug 7, 2022, 4:52 PM Aéius Cercle of Quantum-Note(Law-Division) <
Law@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
When did I ever deny that Jesus Christ incarnated into mortal-form ?
(In fact it wouldn't have been necessary, nor for any of the other
prophets/messengers who had ever incarnated here into this «sorry» realm of
sinners, IF the world was already living in a peaceful rather than
war-mongering manner).
He most certainly incarnated here into this level-of-consciousness in
order to preach *the most important lesson*...:
«Stop sinning» «Now go and sin no more» «Wide is the road destruction»
The whole ENTIRE THEME of his «teachings» was to STOP SINNING «instead
of getting revenge, waging war, turn the other cheek, in fact, offer up
*both* cheeks to be slapped» ...teaching «forgiveness» was taught
*because* it was the «sinful-retaliation» which leadeth unto hell &
eternal-destruction...
On 2022/08/07 15:08, lance hagen wrote:
Sorry voice text does not get it correctly
On Sun, Aug 7, 2022, 4:06 PM lance hagen <lancehagen15@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Are you a Christian or aren't you you're not a Christian then your
opinion does not apply if you don't think you're Christian check the date
out it is 2022 from what date does that come from. Not that I want to
reply
from you and your silliness just stayed in the fact that is the day to go
by
On Sun, Aug 7, 2022, 3:58 PM lance hagen <lancehagen15@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
You seem satanic you deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh was
from the father came to Earth and went back to the father
On Sun, Aug 7, 2022, 1:17 PM Aéius Cercle of
Quantum-Note(Law-Division) <Law@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You *did* see and listen to and watch the video about him, right ?
You *do* realise that it was a «satire» (or parody) video ? I mean,
our Pastor Deacon Fred was saying that, just like Noah REFUSED to allow
all
of those people to board his ship, Joel Osteen also REFUSED to allow
all of
those people trying to escape from and/or find refuge from the flood
into
his church, God bless that man for following in the ways of Noah by
REFUSING his «charity» unto those who were seeking to be saved from the
floodings...
Just to be clear, I do not *actually believe* in «Prosperity
Gospels» (even The Messiah responded to one of my e-mails a few years
back
that he considers both Joel Osteen and Ravi Zacharias to be LIARS who
preach NOT the TRUTH). If anything «Prosperity Gospel» only
*exacerbates* the MAJOR «sin» of this world being that specifically
of *Materialism* (in *any* of its forms; whether in practice or
philosophy which has caused «greed» to proliferate world-wide to the
point
where «global-problems» are now quite blatantly obvious to anybody who
hasn't shoved their head up their ass).
On 2022/08/07 7:38, Jb wrote:
Joel, lol. Is a wolf In sheeps clothing. He preaches lovy dovy crap
and stays away from the topic of sin. And helps direct his followers to
hell
On Aug 6, 2022, at 11:50 PM, Aéius Cercle of Quantum-Note
<Law@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <Law@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
*Note : *Whilst the rest of this post/message may seem «critical»
of KJV-only adherentism, I actually fully support the teachings of the
LandOver BAPTIST Church, even though the last few videos posted on their
channel seem to have been from around four years ago. Here is one of
them
in regards to how Joel Osteen is the modern-day Noah of Houston
(related to
the Houston-Floods)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYw1NEhSZzs&ab_channel=lbc4god
The adherence to the «KJV-Only» behaviours (particularly due to its
*divisiveness*) certainly got me curious enough to wonder where
such «dogmatism» originated. *Divisive*-paradigms tend to be viewed
as cults by the majority of sources but the first «take» I looked at
described it as a «controversy» amongst Baptist-circles which responds
to
«common arguments» claimed by KJV-only adherents...
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevin-wax/the-king-james-only-controversy/
The rest really do conclude that «KJV-only-ism» resembles a cult...
https://truediscipleship.com/the-kjv-only-cult/
https://truediscipleship.com/the-kjv-only-cult-part-2/
https://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/kjvonly2.htm
https://ivarfjeld.com/2011/03/16/king-james-only-a-dangerous-sect-of-false-christians/
...then there is the following which makes claim that it's not a
cult (providing unfortunately very little objective-evidence)...
https://www.chick.com/information/article?id=are-bible-believers-a-cult
For the *actual* source straight from the KJV itself in regards to
cults...
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Cults/
(whether this is the year or «version» insisted upon by KJV-only
adherents
is still something I have yet to determine... were they to require that
it
has to be only from a certain year published by a certain publisher and
still requires it to be in paper-printed form and any other number of
loops-and-hoops just to get to the so-called truth then I will be
forced to
conclude that they are on the same level as Ashida Kim who claimed to be
the world's top ninja whom nobody could beat in martial arts, but, who
wouldn't even accept any challengers to any hand-to-hand combat unless
it
was done on a certain day of the month which had to be under a full-moon
and even then a blue-moon-phase along with being located out in some
who-the-hell-knows-where location where the challenger still had to
*find* the self-promoter...)
On 2022/08/06 20:18, Jb wrote:
Shining seems not to understand the KJV
On Aug 6, 2022, at 6:07 PM, Shining Emperor <nrcwinner@xxxxxxxxx>
<nrcwinner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
VERY WELL SAID.
JUST IGNORE JB's useless......
On Sat, Aug 6, 2022, 14:31 Aéius Cercle of
Quantum-Note(Law-Division) <Law@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
All became Fallen-Lucifers; take some responsibility for ourselves;
stop blaming it on the deceiver/propagandist;
God gave us «logical-reasoning» faculties for a reason.
If a «Holy Book» (or Church/Preacher/Pastor/etc) teaches that 2+2 =
5, and, people *actually believe* that, I am not going to blame
«The Devil» for deceiving them, but, their own innate-stupidity for
being
so *blatantly blind* to the *obvious*.
On 2022/08/06 14:50, Jb wrote:
Lucifer
On Aug 6, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Shining Emperor <nrcwinner@xxxxxxxxx>
<nrcwinner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Who lied and manipulated to all of us Christians?
On Fri, Aug 5, 2022, 23:20 Mike <leatherlips1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jesus was the end of the Law and Christians are under no
obligation to keep the Mosaic Laws.
