[administrating-your-public-servants] Re: Independence hall - Philadelpha...

  • From: Misty Harland <mistyharland75@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: administrating-your-public-servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 16:36:08 -0500

hey thank you me and a friend of mine have been talking about this for
awhile now trying to really figure it out. I knew it was a big difference
but couldnt really explain why except theyre only supposed to represent a
certain number of constituents in congress and no more as far as
representatives and knew that somehow it isn;t the majority rules situation
but since it seems like it is I couldn't tell her why and this explained it
clearly and makes sense and now i can show it to my friend too, thank you.


On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 4:22 PM J_B <tf4624@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

America is a Republic. Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution states,
“The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a
Republican Form of Government.” Yet many people often mistakenly refer to
America as a democracy. One of the most glaring examples of this
misperception was made by Hilary Clinton in a debate with Donald Trump,
when she accused him of “talking down our democracy.” In a democracy, all
laws and decisions of government are made by the majority. This is not how
the United States is governed.

The key difference between a democracy and a republic lies in the limits
placed on those in the government by the law. In a republic there exists a
constitution, or charter of rights, to protect certain inalienable rights
that cannot be taken away— even if a majority of voters demand it. For
Americans these protections include individual, minority, and states
rights. In a “pure democracy,” the majority is not restrained in this way
and can impose its will on any group with less votes. Most modern nations
are viewed under the definition of a democratic republic with a
constitution, which can be amended by a popularly elected government. The
comparison below, therefore, contrasts the form of government in most
countries today with a historical description of a democracy. This is done
with the purpose of emphasizing the features of the republic we enjoy today.

The Framers of the Constitution were altogether fearful of pure democracy.
Everything they read and studied taught them that pure democracies “have
ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found
incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in
general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their
deaths” (Federalist No. 10).

That said, some states allow for policy questions to be decided directly
by the people by voting on ballot initiatives or referendums. Since the
Founders did not provide for national ballot initiatives or referendums
suggests that the Framers’ opposed such processes of democracy. They were
not confident that the people had the time, wisdom or level-headedness to
make complex decisions, such as those that are often presented on ballots
on election day.
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On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 5:12 PM Misty Harland <mistyharland75@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

why is it written democracy everywhere when this is not a democracy it is
a republic?! I believe theyve gone back and changed it on alot of original
writings from the founding fathers too.


On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 9:10 PM Mike P <mike_p_5@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

As someone who used to live in Bucks County PA - IH is NOT owned by the
feds as indicated at this site

Independence Hall - UNESCO World Heritage Centre
<https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/78>
<https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/78>
Independence Hall - UNESCO World Heritage Centre
<https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/78>
The Declaration of Independence (1776) and the Constitution of the
United States (1787) were both signed in this building in Philadelphia. The
universal principles of freedom and democracy set forth in these documents
are of fundamental importance to American history and have also had a
profound ...
whc.unesco.org
"Independence Hall is owned by the City of Philadelphia and
administered by the National Park Service as a part of Independence
National Historical Park under a formal agreement with the City. The 1948
law creating the National Park has as its express purpose the preservation
of the historic structures. Inclusion of Independence Hall in the National
Park system gives it the highest possible level of protection, as it is
maintained by the federal government. Furthermore, as the country’s most
important historical site, its preservation will always be of paramount
importance, and periodic work is undertaken to further protect it."

I have heard rumors of which you speak but it is not true...also I have
heard that the PA Supreme Court is superior to the USSC...also untrue to
the best of my knowledge.

The federal govt NEVER owned any land until the 10 miles square was set
up on paper and even then, Virginia welched on her end of the deal and
never turned over her land.  Today however you can find land that was both
ceded by the state to the feds or the feds rent the land and enjoy joint
jurisdiction over it with the state....I believe some of our army posts are
in this situtation....

I have read of a case where a highway runs through federal land and
state had joint jurisdiction with the feds.  A driver got a ticket and the
attorney fighting it was smart or clever enough to claim that the OTHER
party should claim jurisdiction over the "offense" due to something or
other and did the same with the OTHER jurisdictional entity...long story
short...neither jurisdiction prosecuted the case. Such a jurisdictional
"issue" no longer occurs due to newer guidelines.  Smart attorney!!!

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*From:* administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of
NELSON DICE <nelsondice@xxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 18, 2021 8:46 PM
*To:* Administrating-Your-Public-Servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [administrating-your-public-servants] Re: T-Notes
and.T-Bonds are lawful money perhaps

Will do. Will research true jurisdiction of existing land beforehand.
1:8;17 has land been ceded by state to fed govt?

Phila is 10 Independence hall.

If is fed land, might mean Philadelphia is seat of The United States of
America
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*From:* administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of
Mike P <mike_p_5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 18, 2021 9:40 PM
*To:* Administrating-Your-Public-Servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [administrating-your-public-servants] Re: T-Notes
and.T-Bonds are lawful money perhaps

Be careful when you do that..... read up on the LEU Boston...Local PO
and Feds have no jurisdiction I betcha!! (unless they are requested by the
LEU itself)

Law Enforcement - Federal Reserve Bank of Boston (bostonfed.org)
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Law Enforcement - Federal Reserve Bank of Boston
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LEU comprises sworn Federal Reserve Law Enforcement Officers and support
personnel. All sworn officers have received nationally accredited training
as prescribed by the Federal Reserve’s Board of Governors and the United
States Department of Justice.
www.bostonfed.org


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*From:* administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of
NELSON DICE <nelsondice@xxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 18, 2021 8:37 PM
*To:* Administrating-Your-Public-Servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [administrating-your-public-servants] Re: T-Notes
and.T-Bonds are lawful money perhaps

Don't think Con states what one dollar is.

My plan may be to summon law enforcement if denied entry and get the
incident in paper and video

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*From:* administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of
Mike P <mike_p_5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 18, 2021 8:57 PM
*To:* Administrating-Your-Public-Servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [administrating-your-public-servants] Re: T-Notes
and.T-Bonds are lawful money perhaps

He NEVER indicated WHAT "dollar" he is talking about, if I remember
correctly... silver, gold or FRn.  So from his perspective not a clue BUT
the Constitution states exactly what ONE Constitutional Dollar is.....and
that it would be in "grains" of silver or gold and that is the "legal"
money... while "lawful" money is the FRn's - being lawful does not make one
legal..... am I stating this correctly...or is it the opposite?

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*From:* administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of
NELSON DICE <nelsondice@xxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 18, 2021 7:37 PM
*To:* Administrating-Your-Public-Servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [administrating-your-public-servants] Re: T-Notes
and.T-Bonds are lawful money perhaps

JB stated a dollar today has a value of $21.

Is a lawful money dollar 371+ grains of silver?
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*From:* administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of
Mike P <mike_p_5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 18, 2021 8:32 PM
*To:* Administrating-Your-Public-Servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [administrating-your-public-servants] Re: T-Notes
and.T-Bonds are lawful money perhaps

And what does this have to do with the current discussion?

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*From:* administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of
NELSON DICE <nelsondice@xxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 18, 2021 7:29 PM
*To:* Administrating-Your-Public-Servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [administrating-your-public-servants] Re: T-Notes
and.T-Bonds are lawful money perhaps

Hmm...

Someone sent me this...one dollar lawful money 371+ grains pure silver

http://jpatton.bellevue.edu/bottomline/dollar.html
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*From:* administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of
Mike P <mike_p_5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 18, 2021 7:39 PM
*To:* Administrating-Your-Public-Servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [administrating-your-public-servants] Re: T-Notes
and.T-Bonds are lawful money perhaps

NO....18usc8

The term “obligation or other security of the United States
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.law.cornell.edu%2Fdefinitions%2Fuscode.php%3Fwidth%3D840%26height%3D800%26iframe%3Dtrue%26def_id%3D18-USC-118361372-1912303257%26term_occur%3D999%26term_src%3Dtitle%3A18%3Apart%3AI%3Achapter%3A1%3Asection%3A8&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3c5aafd3fafa4d6dd27a08d97b0e8825%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637676124628075043%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=te0RfhjISTiyHw%2BCQtbr5Xfgr%2B0jfRDogt6r7JVduD8%3D&reserved=0>”
includes all bonds, certificates of indebtedness, national bank
currency, Federal Reserve notes, Federal Reserve bank notes, coupons, United
States
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notes, Treasury notes, gold certificates, silver certificates,
fractional notes, certificates of deposit, bills, checks, or drafts for
money, drawn by or upon authorized officers of the United States,
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 stamps and other representatives of value, of whatever denomination,
issued under any Act of Congress, and canceled United States
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stamps.

Again...think about WHAT they are and WHO issues them for WHAT
purpose...then you need to find the appropriate USC title and section.

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*From:* administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of
NELSON DICE <nelsondice@xxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 18, 2021 6:27 PM
*To:* Administrating-Your-Public-Servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <
administrating-your-public-servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [administrating-your-public-servants] T-Notes and.T-Bonds
are lawful money perhaps

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/lawfulmoney.asp


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