I posted this last week, but I think it fits here again.
From: Charley Dan
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 7:32 PM
To: administrating-your-public-servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [administrating-your-public-servants] Re: FW: Re: is this the
authority for gold-fringe??
Even if they had a gold fringe flag the west had no legislative law per se. In
the early years the military intervened in the range wars. Later the Sheriff's
and marshals kept the peace and the old saying that your arrested for
disturbing the peace for towns. In the country you ride for a ranch or the
brand and the land they claimed was their authority to control. Some of the
land was considered free range and range wars began because every one was
fighting to have that which everyone else wanted. I think Tom Horn died in
1903 by United States jury. He was a hired range detective or regulator. By law
he was innocent. At that same time the courts were changing and legislation
started moving in. Only a couple or so years later everything seemed to change
over night.
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 6:09 PM NELSON DICE <nelsondice@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Charley, good response.
did the US Army in the West during Territorial expansion in 1840s to 1900 use
a gold fringe to identify US territorial jurisdiction Army /military rule? i
think perhaps. can we cite exaxples? any proof from NW Ordinance territories
before statehood?
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<administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Charley
Dan <charleydan@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 7:31 PM
To: administrating-your-public-servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<administrating-your-public-servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [administrating-your-public-servants] Re: FW: Re: is this the
authority for gold-fringe??
Come on people,
Quote:
The flag with the gold or yellow fringe has no constitution, no laws, and no
rules of any court, and is not recognized by any nation on this earth, and is
foreign to you and the United States of America. Those of us who believe that
the Yellow Fringed Flag is the ‘Law of Admiralty’ Flag will know all about this.
Non-sense. The Constitution of the United States is United States
constitution. Plenty of rules and regs. Recognized world over as our country.
Started plenty of wars. Those laws are foreign to me as a sovereign or free
citizen. Yellow on the flag is true and why I say not to go to that court. I'm
not a United States citizen In many matters. Others I am and go to the yellow
fringed court. It is your choice. Go knock yourselves out.
Now I do not return back to the "union of sovereign states, "my claim is a
league of friendship of free citizens found in articles of confederation" . The
colonies turned to independant States to declare revolution war. The states
surrendered to the articles of ConfederateI to get the people to support the
war. The people were not fighting for another goverment. Thet were fighting for
a league. friendship of free citizens. Then the states created the constitution
and not we the people. All these documents were created by a government of
sorts. Even the colonies had that. Why it's important to notify if you want
United States involved or out on the matter at hand.
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 4:55 PM J_B <tf4624@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Nelson, well then..people have tried to remove it.. Hardly going to happen.
They know why its there.
Some of the following you folks know.. some dont. Meant to clarify and or
tell folks who dont understand the flag of BS
The flag with the gold or yellow fringe has no constitution, no laws, and
no rules of any court, and is not recognized by any nation on this earth, and
is foreign to you and the United States of America. Those of us who believe
that the Yellow Fringed Flag is the ‘Law of Admiralty’ Flag will know all about
this.
Let’s keep this simple. Here is what the addition of yellow fringe on the
Amercian Flag means.
FLAG WITH YELLOW FRINGE = MILITARY (Army regs.) = FED ERAL GOVERNMENT
FLAG WITHOUT YELLOW FRINGE = UNION OF SOVEREIGN STATES = WE THE PEOPLE
POWER CURVE UNDER THE CONSTITUTION (Flag no yellow fringe) AND SPECIFICALLY
#1 – WE THE PEOPLE
#2 – THE INDIVIDUAL STATES
#3 – FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
Reverse #1 and #3 when the yellow fringe is added to the American Flag.
The Yellow Fringed American Flag is NOT the CONSTITUTIONAL FLAG of this
REPUBLIC. Anyone who says allegiance to it is a violation of their oath of
office and the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.
Records indicate that fringe was first used on the flag as early as 1835.
It was not until 1895 that it was officially added to the national flag for all
regiments of the Army. For civilian use, fringe is not required as an integral
part of the flag, nor can its use be said to constitute an unauthorized
addition to the design prescribed by statute. It is considered that fringe is
used as an honorable enrichment only. (Military tradition)
The courts have deemed without merit and frivolous, lawsuits that contend
that the gold fringe adorning the flag conferred Admiralty/Maritime
jurisdiction.
This is our last chance to do it right and nullify the 1871 contract that
employed the U.S. Corporation to provide 19 governmental services to the
people. This is our right under Article 1 of the Bill of rights. This also
nullifies General Order 100 of 1863.
The flags displayed in State courts and courts of the United States have
gold or yellow fringes. That is your WARNING that you are entering into a
foreign enclave, the same as if you are stepping into a foreign embassy and you
will be under the jurisdiction of that flag. The flag with the gold or yellow
fringe has no constitution, no laws, and no rules of court, and is not
recognized by any nation on the earth, and is foreign to you and the United
States of America. more information
MILITARY FLAG WITH THE GOLD FRINGE
Martial Law Flag "Pursuant to 4 U.S.C. chapter 1, §§1, 2, & 3; Executive
Order 10834, August 21, 1959; 24 F.R.6865; a military flag is a flag that
resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW
FRINGE border on three sides. The President of the United States designates
this deviation from the regular flag, by executive order, and in his capacity
as Commander-in-Chief of the military. The placing of a fringe on the national
flag, the dimensions of the flag, and the arrangement of the stars in the union
are matters of detail not controlled by statute, but are within the discretion
of the President as Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy." 34 Ops. Atty.
Gen. 83.
President, Dwight David Eisenhower, by Executive Order No.10834, signed on
August 21, 1959, and printed in the Federal Register at 24 F.R. 6865, pursuant
to law, stated that: "A military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag
of the United States, except that it has a yellow fringe border on three sides."
THE LAW OF THE FLAG
The Law of the Flag, an International Law, which is recognized by every
nation of the planet, is defined as:
"... a rule to the effect that a vessel is a part of the territory of the
nation whose flag she flies. The term is used to designate the RIGHTS under
which a shipowner, who sends his vessel into a foreign port, gives notice by
his flag to all who enter into contracts with the shipmaster that he intends
the Law of that Flag to regulate those contracts, and that they must either
submit to its operation or not contract with him or his agent at all." Ref.:
Ruhstrat v. People, 57 N.E. 41
By the doctrine of "four cornerings," the flag establishes the law of the
country that it represents. For example, the embassies of foreign countries, in
Washington D.C., are "four-cornered" by walls or fencing, creating an
"enclave." Within the boundaries of the "enclave" of the foreign embassy, the
flag of that foreign country establishes the jurisdiction and law of that
foreign country, which will be enforced by the Law of the Flag and
international treaty. If you enter an embassy, you will be subject to the laws
of that country, just as if you board a ship flying a foreign flag, you will be
subject to the laws of that flag, enforceable by the "master of the ship,"
(Captain), by the law of the flag.
When you enter a courtroom displaying a gold or yellow fringed flag, you
have just entered into a foreign country, and you better have your passport
with you, because you may not be coming back to the land of the free for a long
time. The judge sitting under a gold or yellow fringe flag becomes the
"captain" or "master" of that ship or enclave and he has absolute power to make
the rules as he goes. The gold or yellow fringe flag is your warning that you
are leaving your Constitutionally secured RIGHTS on the floor outside the door
to that courtroom.
This is exactly why so many judges are appointed, and not elected by the
people. The Federal judges are appointed by the President, the national
military commander in chief. The State judges are appointed by the Governors,
the state military commanders. The judges are appointed because the courts are
military courts and civilians do not "elect" military officers.
Under martial law, you are presumed guilty until proven innocent.
The gold-fringed flag only stands inside military courts that sit in
summary court-martial proceedings against civilians and such courts are
governed in part by local rules, but more especially by "The Manual of
Courts-Martial", U.S., 1994 Ed., at Art. 99, (c)(1)(b), pg. IV-34, PIN
030567-0000, U.S. Government Printing Office, Wash. D.C. The details of the
crimes that civilians can commit, which are classed as 'Acts of War,' cover 125
pages in the Manual of Courts-Martial.
Under Article IV, section 3, of the Constitution for the united States of
America, no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any
other State. So -- Why have the judges of the State and Federal courts been
allowed to erect foreign enclaves within our public courthouses under a foreign
flag with the yellow fringe upon the soil of your state?
We just thought you would like to know so that the next time you see this
yellow fringed flag you will know what you are looking at and what it really
means. If you are in Spain and you see the National Flag of Spain, you would
know that you are under the jurisdiction of Spain; and their laws govern you at
this time. You are officially NOTICED when you see their flag. This is an
admiralty law that says that all who see this flag understand they are governed
by the laws of the country that this flag represents. You SHOULD understand
that the gold or yellow fringed flag signifies the same thing. It is a notice
to you that you are under the rules and regulations of the military force that
is flying that flag.
"It is an elementary rule of pleading, that a plea to the jurisdiction is a
tacit (silent) admission that the court has a right to judge the case and is a
waiver to all exception to the jurisdiction."(Girty v. Logan, 6 Bush KY, 8)
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 5:35 PM NELSON DICE <nelsondice@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
J.B, I am revisiting the issue as I seek better hard evidence regarding
the gold-fringe and the military implications, if any, regarding the
gold-fringe flag my city council chambers I aim to present and ask for a
resolution removing the gold-fringe flag or an official legal response from the
city solicitor..
Here is a small snippet on abe Lincoln and martial law I found interesting
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/proclamation-113-declaring-martial-law-and-further-suspension-the-writ-habeas-corpus
From: J_B
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 5:31 PM
To: administrating-your-public-servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [administrating-your-public-servants] Re: FW: Re: is this the
authority for gold-fringe??
i think i did a thing on the flag issue? did you folks miss it?
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 5:24 PM NELSON DICE <nelsondice@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
https://www.legion.org/flag/questions-answers/91475/what-significance-gold-fringe-which-we-see-some-united-states-flags
From: NELSON DICE
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 5:06 PM
To: Administrating-Your-Public-Servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [administrating-your-public-servants] FW: Re: is this the
authority for gold-fringe??
A Friend of the Family sent this to me
Below are some links, by looking at the history and flag museums', you
may find some information ....note I did not spend any time reading the
links...I feel the flag flown today represents the federal states belonging to
the union. If I were to fly any flag, it would be the flag known as the Betsy
Ross Flag...
https://jeffbridgman.com/html/articles005.htm
Jeff Bridgman American Antiques, Antique American Flags
HERE ARE SOME IMPORTANT FACTS. An Article For “Focus”, The
Semi-Annual Journal Of The Antiques Council, Winter 2006. by Jeff Bridgman,
2006 If you are looking for a Colonial / Revolutionary period 13 star flag, in
other words, one made prior to the Treaty of Paris in 1783, or at the very
least during the period when we had 13 states, prior to the 1791 addition of
Vermont, I have some very ...
jeffbridgman.com
https://houseofflags.org/flag-history/
Flag History | House of Flags
The Kings Colors. When the Pilgrims came in the 1600 they brought
with them the Kings Colors. This flag had the cross of St. George prominently
displayed in it but it also had acquired a white X with a blue background from
St. Andrew’s Flag of Scotland.
houseofflags.org
https://nationalflagfoundation.org/history/
American Flag History & Evolution - The National Flag Foundation
- The National Flag Foundation - American Flag Etiquette & History
1812 was the year that Fort McHenry was bombarded and with its
fall, rose a significant piece of American literature and symbol of pride. A
young lawyer by the name of Francis Scott Key was on a nearby truce ship when
he witnessed the attack on McHenry.
nationalflagfoundation.org
From: NELSON DICE <nelsondice@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 12:57 PM
To: Friend of the Family
Subject: Fw: [administrating-your-public-servants] Re: is this the
authority for gold-fringe??
Do you have any clue where to start on what is or was the flag of the
United States of America?
From: administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<administrating-your-public-servants-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Charley
Dan <charleydan@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 12:34 PM
To: administrating-your-public-servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<administrating-your-public-servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [administrating-your-public-servants] Re: is this the
authority for gold-fringe??
Again the E order for the flag of the United States. What about the
flag for our country the United States of America?
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 10:15 AM NELSON DICE <nelsondice@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:
PART III—GENERAL PROVISIONS
Sec. 31. The flag prescribed by Executive Order No. 10798 of January
3, 1959, shall be the official flag of the United States until July 4, 1960,
and on that date the flag prescribed by Part I of this order shall become the
official flag of the United States; but this section shall neither derogate
from section 24 or section 25 of this order nor preclude the procurement, for
executive agencies, of flags provided for by or pursuant to this order at any
time after the date of this order.
Sec. 32. As used in this order, the term "executive agencies" means
the executive departments and independent establishments in the executive
branch of the Government, including wholly-owned Government corporations.
From: NELSON DICE
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 12:12 PM
To: Administrating-Your-Public-Servants@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [administrating-your-public-servants] is this the authority
for gold-fringe??
https://law.justia.com/codes/us/2018/title-4/chapter-1/sec-1/
EX. ORD. NO. 10834. PROPORTIONS AND SIZES OF FLAGS AND POSITION OF
STARS
PART II—REGULATIONS GOVERNING EXECUTIVE AGENCIES
Sec. 24. (a) The Secretary of Defense in respect of procurement for
the Department of Defense (including military colors) and the Administrator of
General Services in respect of procurement for executive agencies other than
the Department of Defense may, for cause which the Secretary or the
Administrator, as the case may be, deems sufficient, make necessary minor
adjustments in one or more of the dimensions or proportionate dimensions
prescribed by this order, or authorize proportions or sizes other than those
prescribed by section 3 or section 21 of this order.
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