[accessibleimage] Re: pictures of hummingbird mother Lola and baby Fan-Fan

  • From: "Lisa Yayla" <lisa.yayla@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:50:35 +0200

Hi Francisco, Syvie and all,
I loved the pictures of the hummingbird. So lucky they were to have them

I have a pet theory that graphic designers and those that work with images
have an extra responsibility to making people aware about image
accessibility.  The main part of their work is to make images
understandable for the sighted, that is,   not making confusing visual
graphics and getting messages across clearly through pictures or through 
pictures and words.   This is pretty much the same thinking one has when
making accessible images.   Not confuse and get messages clearly through

In Silvie's example the educator hadn't made the presentation accessible
to anyone. Am guessing but  if he had gotten any feedback from his 
audience it would have to do with his slide presentation. The sighted
audience would react to a poor graphic presentation. It has become
expected that visual graphics are done wonderfully, though it is not
necessarily easy to do.It is something most people have to work on. Making
pictures etc understandable for the sighted also requires thought and

If you take an analogy from the health world, before   the knowledge about
our health was confined to a few. Now a days the average  Joe knows a
whole lot more about health matters. Information spread out.  Graphic
artists should be rather like Doctors  who spread the word about good
health practices. Graphic artists should spread the word about good
graphic practices.  Since graphic artists are a main player in the
communication industries they should take the lead in increasing the
understanding of the general public as to accessible information. 

Humm, humm


accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx skrev 17. juli 2006 kl. 02:26 +0000:
>Hi Francisco and all,
>I agree completely with the idea that everyone should be describing things
>at conferences, meetings, in classes, etc. whether or not a person who is
>blind tells one that they are present and need such description. People
>are not blind can also benefit from receiving such descriptions,
>when it comes to interpreting pictures or graphics. Not everyone can do
>quickly, and some fully sighted people may find pictures and graphics
>ambiguous without descriptions.
>My neighbor didn't prepare the description for me. He prepared it for the
>sighted neighbor children, who also loved it. This man has a very
>stereotypical view of blind people in general, and of me in particular. He
>thinks I am a wonder because I am an educated professional "even though I
>blind," and he was amazed to learn that I have not been blind since birth,
>etc. etc. So, when I told him that I visited the site and thanked him for
>the good description, because I have always been interested in animals and
>nature in general, he was sincerely surprised.
>A few years ago I attended a lecture by a well-known teacher educator and
>researcher. It was in a big lecture hall and about 200 professionals were
>attendance. I am currently totally blind. I attended along with two
>colleagues, one who has low vision, and one who has full vision corrected
>with glasses. The lecturer accompanied his talk with many slides of charts
>and other displays. He did not describe them, just pointed and made vague
>references. The colleague with low vision couldn't see what was on the
>slides although he could see the projector screen. I, of course, couldn't
>even see that. But, we both decided to keep quiet until after the lecture.
>When it was finished, the three of us began to discuss it, and the fully
>sighted colleague said that she was also angry, both because she knew that
>the lack of direct description  left us out,  and because she hadn't been
>able to see the writing on the projector screen either!
>Ironically, one of the things that this teacher educator said during his
>lecture that made me very angry was that he had determined during the
>that blind people using braille are not able to achieve any real
>in literacy. He said this as an aside; he is not really an expert on
>literacy for blind people, but because he is a respected educational
>researcher he was apparently asked to do some research for a federal
>concerned with braille literacy. And, there I sat, a fairly proficient
>braille user, knowing a whole slew of fairly proficient braille users!
>and a
>literacy teacher! And, he said this to a room full of mostly fully sighted
>professionals who may have never met a blind person, especially not a
>professional before. That experience made all three of us respect this man
>much less... so he lost too!
>Sylvie Kashdan, M.A.
>Instructor/Curriculum Coordinator
>KAIZEN PROGRAM for New English Learners with Visual Limitations
>810-A Hiawatha Place South
>Seattle, WA  98144, U.S.A.
>phone:  (206) 784-5619
>email:  kaizen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>web:  http://www.nwlincs.org/kaizen/
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Centro de Estudos Inclusivos (CEI/UFPE)" <cei@xxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 1:32 PM
>Subject: [accessibleimage] Re: pictures of hummingbird mother Lola and
>Hi members of the list:
>I apreciated the very well done escription too.
>In fact, this is one of the things we should be doing more frequently.
>description of pictures, ilustrations in general, senery and so on, not
>forgetting transparencies, slides and so on in a classroom or a talk.
>Once, I was at this conference on education for the blind, and the
>presenting used a bunch of slides. They were beautiful and very good
>of how not use them with blind people. However, he did not notice it,
>his long presentation. He ddid not offer any audio description of what he
>was showing.
>Well, what was his topic about? Accessibility.
>After his presentation, I was the only blind professor at the meeting, I
>mentioned the problem, and his answer was that I should have told him I
>blind, at the beginning of his talk.
>Well, one should be aware of accessibility issues all the time, and not
>expect that the person with disability will be there, saying to everyone:
>have a disability."
>If he or she does not want to say so, he or she still have the right of
>having the presentation accessible.
>Hence, description like this can creat a habit in sighted persons, mainly
>Francisco Lima
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Kaizen Program" <kaizen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:23 AM
>Subject: [accessibleimage] pictures of hummingbird mother Lola and baby
>> Hi all,
>> One of my neighbors took some pictures of a hummingbird mom, nest, and
>> baby,
>> located in a tree in our courtyard outside another neighbor family's
>> place.
>> He made a web site so that everyone could look at them at their
>leisure. I
>> want to share it with you
>> I enjoy descriptions of things like this, which I can reconstruct in my
>> mind's eye. And, the naration my neighbor wrote is pretty good and
>> accessible with my screen reader. A friend also looked and described
>> to
>> me.
>> For those who might want the pictures larger, they can be enlarged on
>> site.
>> My neighbor has talked about adding bird songs too.
>> I really love pictures like this. They make it possible for people with
>> low
>> vision to see beautiful creatures fairly clearly. If you are interested,
>> you
>> can find the pictures and narative at:
>> http://www.writely.com/View.aspx'docid=bbfhwngm4w9mg
>> Enjoy,
>> Sylvie

Lisa Yayla
Huseby Kompetansesenter 
Oslo Norway

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