[accessibleimage] Re: Blind children drawing people

• From: "Amanda Lacy" <lacy925@xxxxxxxxx>
• To: <accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
• Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:16:05 -0600

Charles,

<smile> In Flatland, the 2D beings read 1D books.

The very first time I encountered a drawing of a 3D shape came in the 6th grade
in the form of a simple math question: What shape is this? Below those words
was a tactile circle with a curved line through it. Of course, I answered
"circle." Although the teacher said I was wrong she gave me credit anyway since
she was at a loss to prove her claim that this was somehow a sphere that did
not roll off the page.

Ann, do you have online lessons for blind students who struggle with these
concepts? Throughout my life I have had many of the exact same unanswered
questions that Charles has articulated so well here.

Amanda
----- Original Message -----
From: cpond
To: accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:55 PM
Subject: [accessibleimage] Re: Blind children drawing people

Hi Ann.  There is much in what you write, and much one could say to reply.
If you would draw a hand as you describe, which is a fairly flat object. then
how would one draw a fist, which is definitely three dimensional?  The
three-dimensional shape must be captured, and yet the object drawn must be
identifiable as a fist and not a hand, or as a hand reconfigured into a fist?
Actually, a hand is a three-dimentional albeit flat object.  The fingers are
round and elongated; the nails are curved; the palm is thicker than the rest of
the hand.

How would you draw a record as compared to a cookie?

I wonder if the tactile representation of visual tricks would work tactually
on a blind person, like parallax for example.  I think not.

In school we always dealt with realtime three-D models of objects, or even
well-done thermoform representations of three-dimensional objects.

Ha.  As for the funnies, well, maybe I’ll write a one-dimensional book about
them one day.

The tactile picture of an elongated cylinder in no way conjures up in my mind
the actual image of a cylinder.  It cannot come up off of the page. <quizzzical
look here>

To some blind adults, tactile graphics, perfectly clear to a sighted person,
feel like a jumple of lines and curves with absolutely no meaning.  I suppose
that subjectively I’m somewhere in between, except that I know the symbols for
electrical schematics and such.  The are purely symbolic and not pictorial.

Charles

From: ann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:45 PM
To: accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [accessibleimage] Re: Blind children drawing people

I love this conversation.

I have not experienced the limitation of a one shot window of comprehension
that Charles has seen. I teach art at the Colorado Center for the Blind
(students 18+ years old) for the last 12 years and over the years we have come
up with some really accessible ways to explore (hands on) picture plane
concepts like: over lap and outline, foreground, middle and background,
horizon, convergence and diminution of size and the like. It really seems that
most of the time I am giving words to concepts that have been living right
below the surface of consciousness anyway, it is not really that big a leap.
One of the first lessons we start with is recognizing, sorting and naming basic
shapes. Then when you move onto a concept like point of view or point of
perception and trying to draw a 3D object, we can deconstruct the object into
basic forms and start there. For example - my hand face on is a big rectangle
with five skinny rectangles arranged around it. That is basic then I can
refine.  I find that technique works equally well for sighted people who have
no idea how to convert a 3D object into a 2D picture either.
I have modified a perspective machine that is ripped from the brain of
Albrecht Durer. With that student are able to tactually create their own
pictures using all the standard picture conventions with their own
imaginations. Very fun and students have made some wonderful art work that they
can self critique towards improving their skills.

Ann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject:  e] Re: Blind children drawing people
From: "cpond" <cpond@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, January 29, 2012 8:14 pm
To: <accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Many blind children (and also adults) cannot conceive drawing a
three-dimensional object in a two-dimensional medium.  Whether it is a
neurological, a developmental or comceptual block, this is so for many.
Three-dimensional visualizing, and more critically here the sense of sight
being able to “see” in three dimensions must be learned within a narrow windows
at an early time in the child’s life.  Else it doesn’t seem to take.

Charles
From: bmarek
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 2:28 PM
To: accessibleimage@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [accessibleimage] Re: Blind children drawing people

It's probably silly to post a question and then to try and answer it but I,
too, find the question intriguing. I work mainly with school-age children,
where I am confronted with somewhat different challenges, like the request I
had from a 10-year old who said: I can understand drawings of people standing
but not when they are doing something. To help him and other children solve
this "problem", I developed a resource which I call "Fleximan" but it only
helps children understand what people look like when they sit, bend down, jump,
do push-ups or somersaults, kick or throw a ball etc. but does not provide an
answer to the question about how very young blind children draw people.  My
feeling is that "tadpoles" may not be an obligatory stage in blind children's
drawings. Drawing on plastic is much harder than drawing on paper so probably
blind children do not start drawing as early as sighted kids, and, drawing a
circle is not easy when you can't see so sth like a rectangle is more likely as
the main part of a person's body. But I may be wrong
Boguslaw 'Bob' Marek

W dniu 29.01.2012 20:16, bmarek napisał(a):
Below I am copying a message from another list - a question from a friend
in Australia.
Boguslaw 'Bob' Marek:
Hi,
For a new project I am very interested to find out if you know of
research or resources giving an insight in the drawing development of young
blind children and if, like their sighted peers, they go through a period in
which they draw so-called "tadpole drawings", basically a circle as the head
and body in one, and then sticks as arms and legs?
kind regards,
Phia

Sonokids Australia
www.sonokids.org

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