accessible-iOS Re: Keynote so far
- From: Josh Gregory <joshkart12@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "accessible-ios@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <accessible-ios@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 06:36:37 -0400
Okay… Getting sort of off-topic.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 11, 2013, at 1:33 AM, "Tj" <timnamy1212@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I used to think that the iPhone was the only way to go.
>
> For a blind person it is pretty friendly but some of the features that are
> being added in the new phone I am told already exist on other smart phones.
>
> Why should Apple keep up with only the low end smart phones?
> For example the control center that is going to come out I am told there is a
> feature on other android phones already and apple is just catching up.
>
> I have not played with these phone so I can't say it is user friendly for the
> blind but if this is true apple needs to catch up.
>
> Now in saying all of that I am wondering if we are going to get left behind
> so they can catch up to the others for the sighted users?
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <accessible-ios@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:58 PM
> Subject: accessible-iOS Re: Keynote so far
>
>
>> I agree with Ricardo here. What changes in the HW were people expecting in
>> the 5S? IMHO, the HW changes between the 5 and the 4S were pretty
>> significant. The screen became larger, LTE was added, you got a new
>> Lightning port in addition to the faster processor. I think there's a reason
>> this is the 5S and not the 6, i.e. you're not going to see a big wholesale
>> change in the HW.
>>
>> It's true SIRI was only available on the 4S and not the 4, but how much of
>> this was due to the HW as opposed to the OS? I heard that you needed the
>> faster processor available on the 4S for SIRI, but given that there were
>> voice recognition technologies that worked on the 4 and since SIRI is server
>> based, I'm not sure this wasn't a restriction added by Apple to encourage 4S
>> sales over the iPhone 4. I think, if you're going to use SIRI as an example
>> of something innovative in the past then you need to look at the features in
>> IOS 7 in addition to the HW upgrade and see how that compares to the delta
>> changes we've seen in the past.
>>
>> I'm also not sure why Apple needs to blow us away with a vast new set of
>> innovative features every year. I think it's obvious that as a technology
>> matures, the rate of innovation will slow down. The high end smart phone
>> market has gotten kind of saturated, and Apple is keeping up with if not
>> staying ahead of it's competition in this area. The growth area in the smart
>> phone market is in those customers moving from feature phones to a smart
>> phone. Products like the 5C, as well as changes to the look and feel in the
>> OS, are what's going to help Apple compete against the low end Android
>> phones.
>>
>> IMHO, all of this hand ringing over the lack of innovation in Apple's
>> products, and people's disappointment in Apple's offerings each year, is
>> much to do about nothing. It's not like Samsung, Google or MS are putting
>> out hand sets that are revolutionizing the field.
>>
>> On 09/10/2013 10:42 PM, Ibrahim Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> Hi Ricardo.
>>>
>>> I'd like to contest your opinion here a little, when the IPhone 4S was
>>> launched, we all knew that it would be a revamped version of the IPhone
>>> 4. What we weren't expecting and which has made a huge difference to the
>>> way we use our devices was Siri which was the wow factor and which was
>>> exclusively available on the IPhone 4S, you could say the main
>>> differential and reason to buy the 4S. I don't know about you, but I
>>> use Siri all the time for everything from making appointments and
>>> setting reminders to finding out the time zones in different countries,
>>> solving mathematical problems, getting currency conversions, the list
>>> goes on. The IPhone 5 and 5S phones have been disappointing feature
>>> wise as they have added nothing new to the feature set of the operating
>>> system, they have just built in the new hardware such as faster
>>> processor etc. The best way for Apple to lure customers in to buying a
>>> new phone as we all found out with the 4S was to introduce something
>>> revolutionary, something unique that everyone would find useful.
>>>
>>> All the best, Ibrahim.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ricardo Walker
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 4:04 AM
>>> To: accessible-ios@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: accessible-iOS Re: Keynote so far
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I don’t think the phones are bad. If someone expected more, I don’t
>>> think they’ve been paying attention to what Apple has been doing the
>>> last 6 years. For example, what is the difference between the 4 and 4S
>>> except Siri, and a better camera? And the difference between the 5 and
>>> 5S is touch ID, and a better camera. And in both cases, the mandatory
>>> bump in processor power. Essentially, if you have an iPhone 5, I don’t
>>> think Apple cared either way what you thought of the 5S. Reason being?
>>> Everyone who bought an iPhone 5 is not eligible for an upgrade yet, and
>>> most likely won’t be for a while. So it’s customers that Apple wouldn’t
>>> have had in the first place.
>>>
>>> And the 5C? I think that’s brilliant. Your taking what would be a
>>> discounted iPhone 5, and putting it in a new body to make it look new,
>>> instead of just last years phone at a low price. Sure, you and I might
>>> know its the an iPhone 5 in different clothes but, the majority of phone
>>> buyers will not make this distinction.
>>>
>>> jmo.
>>>
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> ricardo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>>
>>> On Sep 10, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Chela Robles <cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow, glad I have IPod Touch 5 then and my old Samsung SGHI-637 Jack
>>>> from AT&T with Mobile Speak on it though buggy it is sometime, the
>>>> screenreader that is. Can't wait until IOS 7 comes out and am greatly
>>>> looking forward to it, let the countdown begin tomorrow until the 18th,
>>>> Cheers!
>>>>
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>>>> On 9/10/2013 12:22 PM, Ibrahim Gucukoglu wrote:
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>
>>>>> I couldn't decide which of the two phones was worse, the IPhone 5C or
>>>>> 5S. I don't mean in specification but in terms of value for money or
>>>>> even worth the headline. Anyone owning an IPhone 5 should hold off
>>>>> for another year, unless your a photographer, gamer or very security
>>>>> conscious, the IPhone 5S isn't for you. The IPhone 5C is essentially
>>>>> the IPhone 5 with a few minor tweaks, very disappointing presentation
>>>>> and product line-up.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best, Ibrahim.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris H
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:20 PM
>>>>> To: accessible-ios@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: accessible-iOS Re: Keynote so far
>>>>>
>>>>> Again according to Twitter the iPhone 5 will be no more but the iPhone
>>>>> 4s remains as a viable alternative to the 5s or 5c.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/09/2013 19:14, Chris H wrote:
>>>>>> According to Twitter the iPhone 5s that's 5 s is to include touch Id,
>>>>>> Apple's fingerprint recognition technology. This can be used to both
>>>>>> unlock the iPhone as well as make iTunes purchases. Also According to
>>>>>> Twitter iOs 7 will be available from the 18th of this month.
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