I'm with you, Scott. It's hardware for me all the way. ssage ----- From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <accesscomp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:58 AM Subject: [accesscomp] Re: windows security issue
Gene, if you're comfortable making that call then go ahead but there's no way I'd join you. It's like I said, once you're infected you're infected. Sure you might get something harmless or you might get something that looks harmless but is copying all your key strokes to our friends in Russia or North Korea. I agree with you that many of the bugs are just annoyances but how do you know which one? I've been at this game for 17 years and I don't feel comfortable enough to make that call. Most reputable security professionals will tell you to reformat and start over. I guess that's why they make chocolate and vanilla.:)----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>To: <accesscomp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: [accesscomp] Re: windows security issueHowever, there are some infections that are simply what they are and don't put all sorts of other malware on the machine. A really knowledgeable person concerning malware may well be able to uninfect the machine and not need to reformat and reinstall everything. It depends what the machine is infected with and how many infections are on the machine. Lots of users become infected at one time or another with this or that piece of malware and the malware is removed with no lasting bad effects.Gene----- Original Message ----- From: "Ch.B." <chr1s64@xxxxxx>To: <accesscomp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 1:06 PM Subject: [accesscomp] Re: windows security issueOh, ok, thanks for the tip. I stayed away from that list until now, as I thought it was strictly related to stuff about programming and such, which Inever got into.yet..lol --- Happy chanukah everyone! Chanuka Sameach! From: accesscomp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:accesscomp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 7:57 PM To: accesscomp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [accesscomp] Re: windows security issue Totally agreed, nothing ever replaces safe computing practices.BTW, if you're in to unattended installs you might join the blind sysadmins group. THere's a discussion on this very stopic going on and some fairlygood clue.----- Original Message -----From: Ch.B. <mailto:chr1s64@xxxxxx> To: accesscomp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:53 AM Subject: [accesscomp] Re: windows security issue True that. I have to find a good unattended install for windows 7 still, since I went to the new OS some months ago.With xp I did all on my own, now last time I had to get someone to put inthe serials for me and the initial settings until I was able to get the screenreader going.Big problem is also that with a lot of software companies that distributeanti virus and malware software, they lull people into a false sense ofsecurity where they think 'oh I have so and so installed on my system, so Ican just go hog wild clicking away on stuff'.Common sense, in my opinion is still the best, anti virus measures out therelol --- Happy chanukah everyone! Chanuka Sameach! From: accesscomp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:accesscomp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 7:41 PM To: accesscomp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [accesscomp] Re: windows security issueI totally agree. That's part of the way these bad guys get machines is by creating fake PC scanns that they claim return your PC to the state it wasnew.The only time I've gotten a virus is when someone let one loose in a companyI was working for and they didn't have proper IPS installed. What I can tell you though is coming from the service provider background, you'd beshocked how many infected machines are out there. More frightening still ishow many are out there and their users don't even know.:(----- Original Message -----From: Ch.B. <mailto:chr1s64@xxxxxx> To: accesscomp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:37 AM Subject: [accesscomp] Re: windows security issueActually I have been virus free fort he last 10 years or so. The only timesI did catch something was because I was lazy and neglected some stuff. I am actually one to clean install my three machines like once a year,regardless. because no matter what you do as far as maintenance, there isnothing as sweet and fast, as a freshely installed OS , smile --- Happy chanukah everyone! Chanuka Sameach! From: accesscomp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:accesscomp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 7:29 PM To: accesscomp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [accesscomp] Re: windows security issueNo I agree with you I didn't think you were missing the point just wanted tohammer home the gravity of the situation. I'm with you, I kill the bugsright on the wire in hardware, none of this software based virus nonsense. Different paths to the same end but I like handling all the virus and worm / intrusion problems on the wire before my computer is even touched. That orjust don't run windows.;)----- Original Message -----From: Ch.B. <mailto:chr1s64@xxxxxx> To: accesscomp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: [accesscomp] Re: windows security issue I KNOW that. This was just a tip since he did not seem that keen on just going right ahead and nuking his systemMe personally I NEVER run a compromised system. I was merely pointing out that a scan with his own software would be of no use, once something alreadygot thru on his pc. --- Happy chanukah everyone! Chanuka Sameach! From: accesscomp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:accesscomp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 7:11 PM To: accesscomp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [accesscomp] Re: windows security issue I'd have to disagree here a little.These tools just don't reliably get rid of bugs. They do a pretty good job of keeping them out and cutting them off at the pass but once they get in your system you just can't trust the pc any further. Even using one of the online scanners can be problematic because the virus redirects you to what you think is an online scanner and is actually a site running by the bad guy that looks the same but introduces yet more malware. If you take the route of scanning and not reformatting then never ever use a credit card from thepc again and assume everything you do from now on is being read by a badguy. Do what you want but I just wouldn't trust it if you have a bug in the system. Would you have sex with an aids patient with full blown aids evenwith a condom? Likely not because there is still potentially risk, same here. To late for the rubber my friend.;) I don't mean to be crude just show you the gravity of the situation.----- Original Message -----From: Ch.B. <mailto:chr1s64@xxxxxx> To: accesscomp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:00 AM Subject: [accesscomp] Re: windows security issue Sounds to me that there really might be a virus, trojan or whatever thatmade it way onto your computer. Running a virus scan with softeware on your machine, may not help, since if the virus already bypassed your anti virusprogram it may not even go off now.I recommend a thorough scan using an online scanner like kaspersky or pccillin from trendmicro. HTH --- Happy chanukah everyone! Chanuka Sameach! From: accesscomp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:accesscomp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew Godwin Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 6:10 PM To: accesscomp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [accesscomp] Re: windows security issueI agree, performing a disk reformat and reinstalling windows certainly will insure the threat is gone. However, that is quite a task. So, I would start by running a Virus scan with the antivirus software loadded on the computer and run a spyware scan with a program like SUPER Antispyware Free Edition. If that doesn't work you probably will need to consider performing the diskreformat and windows reinstall.----- Original Message -----From: Marcus Williams <mailto:marcus72@xxxxxxx> To: accesscomp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:47 AM Subject: [accesscomp] Re: windows security issue You're dealing with a user with little knowledge of computer operations. Can you outline the steps for this process? If not, can you tell me where to begin looking for the information?----- Original Message -----From: Scott Granados <mailto:gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: accesscomp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:44 AM Subject: [accesscomp] Re: windows security issueReformat your hard disk and reinstall windows. That's the only way to becertain you've gotten rid of the threat.----- Original Message -----From: Marcus Williams <mailto:marcus72@xxxxxxx> To: accesscomp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 8:18 AM Subject: [accesscomp] windows security issue Hi all,Recently, my computer started issuing warnings about infected or suspiciousfiles. The warnings occur every few minutes even if I press the "cancel button" that is presented.By the way, the "cancel button" is the only choice I'm given; and still the warnings keep appearing, accompanied by the offer to buy some antimalwareprotection whose origins I can't locate.And just to pur insult on top of injury, my computer has started shuttingdown and restarting without input from me. Some help is really needed here! Marcus marcus72@xxxxxxx
