[access-uk] Re: xp pro and media center

  • From: "Andy" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:12:48 +0100

Hi George.

I have recorded the noise as an mp3 file and will send it to you and Andrew, to let you hear it. It will be in my next message if you wish to listen and comment on it.

Andy
----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 7:37 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: xp pro and media center



Hi Andy,

This is one of these infuriating things which we call,
"McGillicuddy's Law".

Is the noise there as soon as it is switched on, or does it
start at some specific point later?  This could be
important.

If it's as loud as you say, then it simply MUST be
traceable.  However, I suspect it is going to require some
sighted assistance from someone with a good ear, and the
expertise to remove the PC cover.

The ideal solution would be to invite your local GP over for
dinner, and ask that they bring their stethoscope and a
screwdriver along.

The noise is coming from somewhere, you just have to find
out where.

George.

PS:  Oh yes, "McGillicuddy's Law".  Heard that from a Boston
Taxi driver when, after every traffic light turned red on
us, I said something about it being "Murphy's Law" when I
was rushing to an airport.

We don't have "Murphy's Law in Boston, we have
McGillicuddy's Law", he said.  "What's that?", I asked.

"Murphy was an [expletive deleted] optimist!", he replied.

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 29 October 2005 19:19
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: xp pro and media center

Hi George.

Just for a check, since my last message, I walked out of
my
study and across the living room floor to a point some 30
feet away from my computer and I could still hear it.  You

know the sound you get when your computer is very busy,
for
example, downloading a file, It's like a drive running at
full speed.  Well, that is the noise I get all of the time

and it never gets quieter. It's as though one of my
drives
is running like a spin dryer .
Does this mean anything to you or anyone George?  I can
live
with it, but I'm sure it should not be as loud as this.

Andy


----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: xp pro and media center


> Fan noise is something which you can often deal with > yourself. Indeed there is a very good article on the > subject at:- (Watch out for the long URL - it should
end in
> "your-pc.html")
>
http://www.compshopper.co.uk/shopper/features/67514/silence-
> your-pc.html
>
> Essentially there are usually up to four fans.
> 1) The CPU Fan.
> 2) The Power Supply Fan.
> 3) The General Case Circulation Fan.
> 4) Specific Board Fans.  (For example on a Video Card)
>
> Although you will usually require help from someone
familiar
> and experienced with working inside PCs, you can often
cut
> noise down without spending too much. (Other than a
beer or
> three for the helper!)
>
> Fans get dirty, so clean them with either a small dry
paint
> brush, or a can of compressed air.
>
> You be surprised how much noise is actually just plain
old
> vibration. A loose cable can vibrate against the side
of
> the case, when all it needs is a cable tie, or even a
small
> piece of insulating tape, to keep it clear.
>
> In some cases, a tiny drop of oil can work wonders with
a
> noisy fan. Bearings can dry out, but be careful to use
only
> a small amount of oil, and plane to replace the fan
anyway.
>
> If all else fails, try and identify the fan which makes
the
> most noise, and consider replacing it with a silent
type.
> Fans are not generally expensive, especially when you
> consider the cost over the life of the PC, not to
mention
> your personal comfort during that period.
>
> George.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andy
>> Sent: 29 October 2005 17:15
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: xp pro and media center
>>
>> Hi Ray.
>>
>> Yes, the noise is an issue but I'm sure computers will
> become
>> much more quieter in the near future, particularly
because
> of
>> the DVD and CD playing ability.  I'll do a search for
the
>> brands you mentioned to see what's available now.  I do
> hope
>> that accessibility is not going to prevent visually
> impaired
>> people enjoy these multi-media machines though.  It
seems
>> that we are always waiting doesn't it?
>>
>> Best wishes.
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:32 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: xp pro and media center
>>
>>
>> > Actually Andy, computers are around that are as quiet
as
> a
>> video recorder,
>> > and ones that are completely silent, as near as darn
it!
>
>> Very quiet fans,
>> > or no fans are used in some instances.  Hard disks
> enclosed
>> in soundproof
>> > enclsures are used to combat noise from that source.
>> >
>> > In the sound recording field, perhaps Carrilon
computers
>
>> have become a
>> > benchmark for this sort of machine.  As well as being
> very,
>> very quiet,
>> > they are optimised for audio recording  There are
other
>> firms too that are
>> > expliting this nich of the market.
>> >
>> > More in the mainstream, you have firms such as Hi
Grade,
>
>> who have marketed
>> > a Media Center computer for a couple of years or so
now.
>
>> Almost sure Sony
>> > does too, though being Sony you pay a high premium
for
> the style.
>> >
>> > So, in short Andy, there are no shortage of really
quiet
>
>> machines around,
>> > and some are priced not too disimilarly to the noisy
one
>
>> you've got.
>> > Maybe for my own reference I'll do some searches on
> media
>> and quiet Pcs.
>> >
>> > As for the Window-Eyes issue and MC, as Peter says,
> maybe
>> there is a heavy
>> > reliance on MSAA,  but I don't see that necessarily
as
> abad
>> thing.  I
>> > think in the next year there are bound to be reviews
of
>> these things on
>> > programs like Main Menu, and the newer and growing
list
> at
>> cooltechaudio
>> > list.  Its a trend in the merging of Pcs and
multimedia
>> that is hardly
>> > likely to be overlooked by blind people; quite the
> reverse..
>> > Ray
>> >
>> > Personal emails: Email me at
>> > mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Andy" <andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >
>> >
>> > | Hi Ray.
>> > |
>> > | Absolutely, the noise is a concern. My computer,
> despite
>> costing me
>> > over
>> > | £1000 last year is as noisy as a washing machine.
> They
>> will need to
>> > become
>> > | significantly quieter but given the cooling that
needs
> to
>> be don, I
>> > don't
>> > | think they will ever run as silent as a video
> recorder.
>> > |
>> > | I too would be interested in any information
regarding
>
>> which access
>> > software
>> > | is best suited to the media centre.  I'd change
from
> jaws
>> to windoweyes
>> > if I
>> > | thought that access would be possible.
>> > |
>> > | best wishes.
>> > | Andy
>> > |
>> > |
>> > | ----- Original Message ----- >> > | From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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