Hi, Very strange. Not sure what is happening but will spell it out this time. The items on ebay I refer to were being sold at around twenty pounds, described as leftover stock and presumably would need all the upgrades. I just thought for that sort of money, it may be a way of upgrading. Hope this clears the situation. Keith - - Keith Barrett gw4nby Bridgend South Wales ** Going on holiday and want to halt messages? Send a message to:- ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** vacation ## d ** where ## is the number of days followed by d for days. ** For other things like digest mode, send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq