Hi George, Didn't know that, thanks. All the best -- Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. Telephone Low-call: 08452 606 277 International: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax: +44(0)1438 759589 mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, Email: mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk <http://www.comproom.co.uk/> _____ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell Sent: 30 April 2006 00:32 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: using google efficiently Hi Steve, There's a handy little keyboard teaching gadget at http://www.techno-vision.co.uk/aesop.htm George. _____ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 29 April 2006 18:27 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: using google efficiently Hi James, This is always a difficult one though. How for example, do you train someone to use a computer, before they know the keyboard? You have to make some assumptions, and I think training on the virtual find, should be quite early on in the process of teaching the web with JAWS. But of course, this is my personal view, and not necessarily a recommendation. All the best -- Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. Telephone Low-call: 08452 606 277 International: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax: +44(0)1438 759589 mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, Email: mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk <http://www.comproom.co.uk/> _____ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of James O'Dell Sent: 28 April 2006 12:28 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: using google efficiently Hi Steve yes I have purchased both of these tutorials and agree they are excellent. I was just trying to think of the person who Graham is training though, entering "cached" is all very well if you understand the idea of the virtual find feature and if you have a basic grasp of what "cached" means and why you are entering it, but that might not be the most intuitive method for someone with no experience at all. Jonathan's tutorials are good, but he wisely assumes a reasonable degree of computer knowledge (how else would you purchase and play the tutorial?). James ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve <mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Nutt To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: using google efficiently Hi James, I tend to follow Graham's way and search for the word Cached, and that tends to work. By the way, there is an excellent tutorial on Google from Jonathan Mosen on http://www.mosenexplosion.com. And if you think you know Google well, so did I, but I still learned from it. I don't sell this or anything, but I do highly recommend it. His tutorial Speaking Of Skype is equally excellent. As ever, they are both very well researched. They are a bit JAWS oriented, but you can still get a lot from them if you use another screen reader. All the best -- Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. Telephone Low-call: 08452 606 277 International: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax: +44(0)1438 759589 mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, Email: mailto:Steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk <http://www.comproom.co.uk/> _____ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of James O'Dell Sent: 27 April 2006 22:48 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: using google efficiently Try playing with the "next non-linked text" setting and personalise it to Google. You might be able to get it so that it generally skips the sponsored Links, although I'm not sure how reliable that will turn out to be. James ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham <mailto:gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Page To: BCAB Mailing List <mailto:bcab@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ; access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: [access-uk] using google efficiently Hi all. I am a regular internet user and tend to use google for searching as many do. When training new users, the bigest problem is getting past the sponsored links quickly and looking at the propper results. I search for the word Cached and then know that probably I am on the first result. Anyone else got any suggestions? I use JAWS version 7. Cheers Graham Graham Page Mobile: 07753 607980 Fax: 0870 706 2773 Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: gabriel_mcbird