The keystrokes would be great. I'd definitely benefit from it as I use Jaws and supernova and I'm quite rusty when it comes to keystrokes. On 12/20/12, Scott Cunningham <unionjack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi Mike, > > That document of key strokes would be most useful if you had the time to > put > it together, please keep us all updated, > > Thanks, > > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Michael Ray > Sent: 27 October 2012 18:53 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: upgrading Jaws > > Peter, > > That's great to know. Never having used Jaws I wasn't aware of this. > > I don't really know why Jaws seems to be the market leader in > screen-readers. > > I've been thinking about the possibility of putting together a > screen-reader > > keystroke cross-reference document or even web page. It would be great to > have the keystrokes for NVDA, Jaws, WindowEyes and Supernova (and others) > all available in one place and immediately selectable by task without > searching through loads of documentation. > > Mike Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley23@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:37 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: upgrading Jaws > > >>A lot of the keystrokes are the same as jaws. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michael Ray" <mike.ray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:04 PM >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: upgrading Jaws >> >> >>> Andrew, >>> >>> Go to: >>> >>> http://www.nvda-project.org >>> >>> Follow the download link and download 2012.2.1 >>> >>> Click on the downloaded file. It is a talking installer so you might >>> need to silence Jaws while you install it. >>> >>> It doesn't, as far as I know, use the same key-strokes as Jaws, but then >>> >>> Jaws doesn't use the same key-strokes as NVDA. >>> >>> If you want a screen-reader that uses exactly the same key-strokes as >>> Jaws then stick to Jaws. >>> >>> As far as the question 'will it do the same as Jaws' is concerned, the >>> answer is probably no. But then WindowEyes, Supernova and System Access >>> >>> don't do the same. They just attempt to perform the same result in >>> slightly different ways. >>> >>> I use NVDA because I am not prepared to pay four times as much as my PC >>> cost just to make it accessible. >>> >>> Mike Ray >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "andrew shipp" <andrew.shipp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 2:51 PM >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: upgrading Jaws >>> >>> >>>> Hi Peter Ok a couple of people have said about NVDA besides it >>>> being free, what other help is it. the last time I tried to download >>>> >>>> it I had problems and haven't tried since. will it do the same as >>>> Jaws? > >>>> does it use the same keystrokes? I am prepared to give it another go >>>> >>>> if I'm told how to do what I need to for to download it. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Peter Beasley >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:59 PM >>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: upgrading Jaws >>>> >>>> Have you tried NVDA? >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Richard Godfrey-McKay" <richard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:50 PM >>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: upgrading Jaws >>>> >>>> >>>>> Andy, Afraid you will need Jaws Pro if you're running a pro version of >>>>> Windows. Shame about that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Richard >>>>> >>>>> Richard Godfrey-McKay >>>>> >>>>> Telephone: 01738-445 880 >>>>> >>>>> Mobile: 07791 452 593 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>>> On Behalf Of andrew shipp >>>>> Sent: 27 October 2012 09:24 >>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: upgrading Jaws >>>>> >>>>> Hi Ok I see what you mean, but what is the price difference? I >>>>> use >>>>> pro because I have windows pro 7 on my laptop. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Richard Godfrey-McKay >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:53 AM >>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: upgrading Jaws >>>>> >>>>> Andy, If price is a consideration, I wonder if you still need the pro >>>>> version? You can now save money by downgrading JAWS to standard if >>>>> you >>>>> don't need pro, and most people won't need pro in a home environment. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Richard >>>>> >>>>> Richard Godfrey-McKay >>>>> >>>>> Telephone: 01738-445 880 >>>>> >>>>> Mobile: 07791 452 593 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>>> On Behalf Of andrew shipp >>>>> Sent: 26 October 2012 16:50 >>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [access-uk] upgrading Jaws >>>>> >>>>> Hi All, could anyone tell me how much is it to upgrade Jaws these >>>>> days >>>>> please, I'm using Jaws V12 pro. 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