George many thanks for your time. the reason i want to use unicode 2029 is i have a program on my phone whic i can export and import, and it's much quicker to put data using the pc. the phone exports the file in csv format but if i edit with xl it seem to screw things up for the phone. i found notepad workd grand. unicode 2029 put a end of line brake wich works grand on the phone. i can copy adn paste unicode 2029 ok, i was just looking for a quick key stroke to insert it. Cheers Robin. _____ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:36 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: unicode simbels Hi Robin, Trust me – Unicode 2029 in an invisible control character. Have a sighted colleague look at the following page and they will see that the “Image” box is blank. http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2029/index.htm George. From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robin Sent: 20 May 2009 15:15 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: unicode simbels George this is the simble if it holds between the quotes. unicode 2029 " " the other one didn't work alt 0134 I have tryed some others but i can't get the 2029 everry thing but that one. many thanks. Cheers Robin.