Sorry, Robin. I need a new pair of glasses. Forget what I said about Unicode 2020. If you hold down the Alt key, and type 0134 on the Number Pad, you'll get what you want. George. From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell Sent: 20 May 2009 13:31 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: unicode simbels Hi Robin, Do you mean the "Pilcrow" sign, which looks like an upper case letter "P" facing backwards? This is what we visually see as the end of paragraph symbol in Word, for example. If so, its Unicode value is 0086. In Notepad you have to type Alt+0182 Unicode 2020 is what is called a "Dagger", and looks like a Christian Cross. In Notepad, Alt+0134 Note that in order to do this, you need to turn numlock on, hold down the LEFT Alt key, and type the 4 digit number above on the numpad, NOT the top row of numbers. George. From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robin Sent: 20 May 2009 10:57 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] unicode simbels Could anyone tel me the key stroke to get the Unicode 2029 the end paragraph separator simble. I want to insert it in a file using notepad. Or is their a ancii code to do the same. the paragraph simble 182 won't workd for me. Cheers Robin.