[access-uk] Re: trekker breeze walk podcast
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:32:43 +0100
Hi Shirley,
I am not David, but no it doesn't. You have to map out your route first, by
walking it as I understand it, so if you want that functionality like
regular sat nav, you want something like Wayfinder.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
alloy design
Sent: Friday 25 July 2008 18:15
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: trekker breeze walk podcast
Hello David,
I know this subject was discussed some time ago, but I have only just read
through your e-mails!...
Tell me, does this piece of equipment work the same as a normal SatNav?...
Meaning one can put in the post code or destination required and the SatNav
will direct you there.
Many thanks,
Shirley.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Quarmby" <quarmby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: trekker breeze walk podcast
> Hi John,
> as soon as you switch the Breeze on and as soon as it has located
> sufficient satellites, it will provide you with information about your
> current location. You do not need to be with anyone to use it and obtain
> useful information about your surroundings and the Breeze has the facility
> to immediately take you back to where you started from at the press of a
> button. One can set as many landmarks as one likes and the Breeze can
> make a route to any of these landmarks.
> The Breeze is a fairly straight forward device to be able to learn and use
> and is aimed at people who have lost their sight , perhaps with poor
> mobility skills and have little technical knowledge. Sighted assistance
> can be used to help them make useful routes to assist them to be able to
> manage to get around more independently. The making of useful landmarks
> along the route can immediately assist them to know where they are and
> location information can be obtained at the press of a button. Such
> information will hopefully provide the confidence that people require in
> order to get around independently.
> The device can be use effectively by people straight out of the box so as
> to say but does not have the functionality that perhaps you and I require.
> If it had more functionality, such as being able to set routes to Points
> Of Interest rather than just personal POI's, then the market for the
> product could have been even greater.
> The podcast as limited value in one sense, because of the limitations of
> the area that the device was used in for the demonstration. It would have
> been nice if we could have had a podcast indemonstrating the device in a
> more demanding environment to demonstrate the wider functionality of the
> Breeze..
>
>
> regards
> David Quarmby
> quarmby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> 07736 087019
> Inclusive Design means that all products, services, environments etc.,
> should be accessible and usable by the majority of people to the greatest
> extent without the need for any adaptation or specialist design.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "john coley" <johncoley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 9:15 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: trekker breeze walk podcast
>
>
>> Hi David, a point I forgot to put in my previous post was that most of us
>> don't have someone to guide us about. In order for the Trekker Breeze to
>> be any use whatsoever you'd need someone surely who knew where to go? The
>> Breeze wouldn't be of any use. If your answer to that question is that a
>> guide wouldn't be necessary why would the Breeze be needed at all, since
>> if the blind user was able to get to the places on their own in order to
>> insert the necessary markers he/she would know the way anyway.
>> John.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Quarmby" <quarmby@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 8:25 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: trekker breeze walk podcast
>>
>>
>>> John,
>>> I think your criticism's of the Trekker Breeze are bordering on being
>>> unfair about this piece of equipment. I think Humanware have developed
>>> a product that can meet a gap in the market for a great number of
>>> visually impaired people who know very little about computers and either
>>> perhaps don't want or could manage the sophistication of other more
>>> complex GPS products.
>>> I do think that there is a market out there for this kind of product
>>> although I think the market would have been greater if one could make a
>>> route to any point of interest rather than solely to a landmark that the
>>> person has previously visited and created.
>>> When one considers the price of £485, this is for the hardware and the
>>> software and when one sees the price of Wayfinder Access at £208 plus
>>> the cost of a phone, possible GPS receiver and either Talks or Mobile
>>> Speak, then the price is not too extortionate. If one wants perhaps the
>>> best GPS solution for the visually impaired at present, provided by the
>>> Sendero Group, then you would be paying in the region of £900 for the
>>> software alone.
>>>
>>> The Code Factory & Sendero Group partnership that is due to bring out
>>> the Mobile Geo by October may be a good all round solution but the cost
>>> of the software alone is likely to be around £400 and this is still to
>>> be developed further.
>>> In regard to the Trekker Breeze podcast, I also went and did the same
>>> route. I was impressed with how quick the Breeze picked up the signal
>>> and how easy it was to pick it up and use it in a productive way. Yes,
>>> it might not have picked up the Points Of Interest of the pubs and
>>> hotels, but the walk took you away from Hagley Road down a quiet
>>> suburban street and there was very little to test it on other than POI's
>>> that had been put in on previous walks because you did not pass any. In
>>> doing this, the Breeze was accurate.
>>> I must admit, it would have been nice to test out the Breeze in a busy
>>> city centre to see how it performed but for everything,hardware and
>>> software in a little unit, I think some people will be highly delighted
>>> with the product. It's difficult at times to get the right balance
>>> between simplicity and functionality, and for me, I would have liked to
>>> have seen some more functionality as I have previously mentioned but I
>>> still think it is a great little product that some people will find
>>> invaluable and at the present time, it won't be me.
>>>
>>> Perhaps as we have seen in the recent past, a battle of the note
>>> takers', we might see something on similar lines for some of the VIP GPS
>>> systems.
>>>
>>> By the way, at the Access IT award ceremony that was held in London
>>> yesterday, the European funded GPS guidance system that is being piloted
>>> in Greece known as "Smart Eyes"won an innovation award. I just wonder
>>> whether we will ever see this system available commercially.
>>> regards
>>> David Quarmby
>>> quarmby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> 07736 087019
>>> Inclusive Design means that all products, services, environments etc.,
>>> should be accessible and usable by the majority of people to the
>>> greatest extent without the need for any adaptation or specialist
>>> design.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "john coley" <johncoley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 7:28 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: trekker breeze walk podcast
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Terry, for those of us who aren't subscribed to infotech could you,
>>>> if you can, post to the list a positive case made for the Breeze. I
>>>> think you're going to be hard pushed. As I said in my previous post the
>>>> excessive price tag allows no room for ifs and buts.
>>>> Am I wrong then when I say that the Breeze is at best only any good if
>>>> a route is walked previously and the markers manually inserted?
>>>> If that's the case, and it only does what someone's memory and perhaps
>>>> a memo note of some discription, braille or audio giving directions can
>>>> do what justifies its price? What justifies the Breeze costing twice
>>>> the price of Wayfinder Access, costing half the price and that will do
>>>> much much more? Is it just that the breeze is a stand alone unit and
>>>> Wayfinder Access is software?
>>>> Given the little it will do to whom would it be of use?
>>>> I look forward to your comments.
>>>> John.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Terry Clasper" <terry.clasper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:23 PM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: trekker breeze walk podcast
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> as I say in todays episode oc the podcast don't right it off just yet,
>>>>> and if you subscribe to Infotech listen to the detailed interview with
>>>>> the product manager from Humanware as he is very clear about the way
>>>>> the breeze works and the needs its trying to address.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way can I just thank everyone for the nice things you have all
>>>>> been saying about the podcast, if you want a touch of Aus and a touch
>>>>> of technical creativity and in total a good laugh the current episode
>>>>> is worth a listen.
>>>>> Cheers everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> Terry Clasper.
>>>>> MSM: terry.clasper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Skype: terryclasper
>>>>> Private E-Mail: terry.clasper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Work E-Mail: terry.clasper@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "john coley" <johncoley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 1:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: trekker breeze walk podcast
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ray, it really was farcical. When I first heard about them I'd
>>>>>> been very interested in getting one, but not now. When you get a
>>>>>> minute have a listen. I'm sure you'll aggree. The link to the podcast
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>
http://www.tandt-consultancy.com/sounds/podcast/july08/12-treckerbreezewalk.
mp3
>>>>>> John.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Rays Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:42 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: trekker breeze walk podcast
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John, had to smile at these thoughts of yours. I can tell you of at
>>>>>>> least two points of interest, the Thisle Hotel or maybe Straf-Allan,
>>>>>>> and the Garden House pub across the road. Of course there are many
>>>>>>> hotels around that area too. You mean to say none of this came up?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Folks, save your four or five hundred quid and get something better!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Ray.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "john coley" <johncoley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] trekker breeze walk podcast
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi everybody, I'm awaiting with interest peoples' comments now
>>>>>>>> we've had opportunity to hear the Trekker Breeze. Judging by the
>>>>>>>> comments of those on the walk they were less than impressed with
>>>>>>>> its performance. It only announced one road junction, and that was
>>>>>>>> it. Noannouncements of surrounding features, pubs, theatres, etc,
>>>>>>>> as Humanware claim in their blerb it will announce. The only ttwo
>>>>>>>> things that were announced were a trash bin and the sight village
>>>>>>>> gates, both of which had been manually entered as landmarks.
>>>>>>>> A lady asked the question if she was going to the hospital by taxi
>>>>>>>> and then walking back would the trekker breeze take her home. The
>>>>>>>> guy from Humanware said it would, but the taxi would have to take
>>>>>>>> the exact route she'd walk.
>>>>>>>> In another part of the podcast someone asked about announcements
>>>>>>>> of surrounding features, and one of the items consisted of a snatch
>>>>>>>> of conversation between walkers, which the unit said was 400 feet
>>>>>>>> from a road junction.
>>>>>>>> Over the whole walk there were very few announcements. I take it
>>>>>>>> the Humanware rep was sighted. The best test of it would have been
>>>>>>>> for the walk to have been done with the blind party, without the
>>>>>>>> sighted guy, just using the trekker breeze.
>>>>>>>> Given how little it would seem to be able to do without being told
>>>>>>>> I think the price is excessive.
>>>>>>>> John.
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