thanks Adrian. This is probably useful for the future but for now, going to the PC is probably the best move. I know that experienced users have been able to do quite a bit with the mac, but for a user new to screenreaders it is important that any training is detailed and of a high standard. The trainer must be experienced in using the hardware and software for which the training is carried out and without a guarantee of this, switching from the mac to the PC is probably the only way. Cheers Graham Graham Page Mobile: 07753 607980 Fax: 0870 706 2773 Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: gabriel_mcbird ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Higginbotham To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: touch typing courses again you're probably right about lack of availability of training on the Mac Graham, don't think anyone yet knows whether the screenreader is a nice toy or a feasible solution for learning and workplace application your best bet on this one from the UK end is probably via www.macvisionaries.comm which is a UK based operation, according the the site currently working on a voiceover tutorial. Adrian Higginbotham Accessibility and inclusion adviser British Educational Communications and Technology Agency - BECTA Tel: Direct dial 024 7679 7333 - Internal extension #2287 Email: Adrian.Higginbotham@xxxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.becta.org.uk/ BECTA, Millburn Hill Road, Science Park, Coventry, CV4 7JJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graham Page [mailto:gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 09 August 2005 15:28 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: touch typing courses again thanks Adrian. I must say I find it incredible that RNIB appears to be doing nothing serious at all about offering touch typing totorials. last time I asked they had one on audio tape aimed at typewriters but for modern computer users this does not really offer any help. I think this client is going to have to use something other than the mac anyway as at this stage there seems to be no one who can give decent training with Tiger and the voiceover screenreader bult into the Graham Page Mobile: 07753 607980 Fax: 0870 706 2773 Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: gabriel_mcbird ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Higginbotham To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: touch typing courses again there's a very basic talking typing tutor built in to twitter which prompts you to type single characters followed by a description of where to find the key EG which finger to use, positive or negative audio feedback. each exercise consists of 50 single keystroke instructions at the end of which you are given a score out of 50. pretty basic as no drill exercises but not bad for free as it is an unrestricted feature of the twitter demo. more details at www.twitter.co.uk not available for download by contact the developer who will mail you a CD. otherwise it's the birmingham university freeware which apparently has issue on xp machines or the afb offering which isn't actually bad. search the afb website for typing tutor. Adrian Higginbotham Accessibility and inclusion adviser British Educational Communications and Technology Agency - BECTA Tel: Direct dial 024 7679 7333 - Internal extension #2287 Email: Adrian.Higginbotham@xxxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.becta.org.uk/ BECTA, Millburn Hill Road, Science Park, Coventry, CV4 7JJ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graham Page [mailto:gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 09 August 2005 14:23 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] touch typing courses again Hi all. This subject rears its ugly head from time to time and I am repeating and often asked question. Does anyone know of any decent touch typing courses that someone can use on either a Mac or a PC? I have an access to work client who needs a screenreader and the company he works for uses MACS. For the time being his PC use is likely to be quite basic and his immediate needs involve learning to type without looking at the keyboard as he can not see enough to continue looking at the keys while typing. Does anyone know of either an accessible touch typing tutor for the mac or a touch typing program that works with Windows XP on the PC? Cheers Graham Graham Page Mobile: 07753 607980 Fax: 0870 706 2773 Email: gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx MSN: gabriel_mcbird@xxxxxxxxxxx Skype: gabriel_mcbird __________ NOD32 1.1189 (20050808) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1189 (20050808) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com