[access-uk] Re: tonight's intouch
- From: "Sunil" <bosley20@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:56:17 +0100
People may not have realized how publicly available PCs are set, but I think
we highlighted that with Brian in the programme giving an informed and
expert explanation as to why the software may not have worked when I tried
it out.
The other thing is that I don't know the reason that some internet cafes
don't have units with usb ports. One explanation I got from a member of
staff was that there were no CPUs in order to ensure they weren't pinched.
I don't know enough to know what the chances are of the key to freedom
infecting a PC when plugged in to the usb port, I was exploring how viable
the product was as a means of giving screenreading access to any computer
anywhere any time.
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
yusuf
Sent: 12 October 2005 18:56
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: tonight's intouch
And thats the point I was trying to make. People may not realise that
publicly available computers may have been set to disable the running of
executable programs on things like USb thumb drives. This will mean that the
Freedom box will not work on such computers.
The other point is people may not be aware that some computers for public
use may not have USB ports. Did you consider that when you coudln't find the
USb port on one of the computers the reason was that it wasn't their in
order to stop people from doing exactly what you were trying to do IE plug
in a USB thumb drive.
And both of the above are attempts to prevent militious users from either
infecting the computer with a virus or putting on programs to monitor usage.
I'm not criticising, the work that all of you on intouch do is really
important for our community, I just was surprised that you didn't mention
this. I've never used a public computer so know very little about the way
they work.
But to move this on a little should internet cafaes and other public
computers have to allow VIPs the right to plug in a thumb drive to allow
them to access their computers? My own view is that because of the concerns
over viruses and monitoring software there needs to be some negotiation
before a VIP goes and plugs in such a device.
Yusuf
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sunil" <bosley20@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 5:04 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: tonight's intouch
> Ok one thing, its not about using usb sticks to save files on a public
> computer. Its about having access to public computers by means of the
> software contained on the usb drive. I don't know about scripts or
> executables but I'd be surprised if most people interested in a portable
> screenreading solution do to be honest
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> Ray's Home
> Sent: 12 October 2005 16:54
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: tonight's intouch
>
> All very well Sunil talking about people using USB sticks to save files on
> a
> public computer. However, here we are talking about running executables
> and/or scripts, a different matter. Andrew and others more knowledgable
> about this have commented, and maybe will comment again.
> Ray
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sunil" <bosley20@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 2:38 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: tonight's intouch
>
>
> | Security implications? I'm interested to know what you're referring to.
> As
> | someone said earlier, people use the usb drives on PCs in internet cafes
> and
> | hotels and other public places all the time - digi cameras and thumb
> drives
> | for instance.
> |
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> | yusuf
> | Sent: 12 October 2005 14:35
> | To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | Subject: [access-uk] Re: tonight's intouch
> |
> | Hi Ian, yep your right. I was just surprised that the security
> implications
> | weren't touched upon.
> | Yusuf
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "Ian Macrae" <ian.macrae@xxxxxxxxx>
> | To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:29 AM
> | Subject: [access-uk] Re: tonight's intouch
> |
> |
> | > Hi Yuisuf,
> | >
> | > As you know I wasn't involved in that item but Sunil did highlight the
> | > problem of lack of USB when one of the computers he tried didn't have
> a
> | > port, or at least he couldn't find it.
> | >
> | > Cheers now.
> | >
> | > Ian
> | >
> | > -----Original Message-----
> | > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> | > Of yusuf
> | > Sent: 12 October 2005 09:22
> | > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | > Subject: [access-uk] Re: tonight's intouch
> | >
> | >
> | > Andrew, Thanks for the info. I'm not criticising the Freedom box or
> | > comparing it to any other solution for accessing a public computer. I
> | > was
> | > trying to point out the difficulties as I saw them of taking such a
> | > device
> | > and plugging it in to a USB port on a public computer. I just felt
> that
> | > the
> | > program should have pointed out both the fact that some public
> computers
> | >
> | > won't even have a USB port and others that do either won't allow you
> to
> | > plug
> | > in your device or as you say the software on the PC won't allow the
> | > device
> | > to have proper access.
> | >
> | > Yusuf
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> | > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 11:12 PM
> | > Subject: [access-uk] Re: tonight's intouch
> | >
> | >
> | >> Hi,
> | >>
> | >> The Freedom box is actually very respectful of a lot of policy
> | >> settings, and unless the system has been locked down to such a degree
> | >> that it is unusable by the sighted person that needs to use it, it
> | >> will work. A lot of people need to plug in USB devices into machines
> | >> in caffes etc because of saving data to a thumb drive. Quite often
> | >> when you leave the caffe the system is wiped to how it was at the
> | >> beginning, usually using some quick restore mechanism built into
> | >> specialist software for the specific purpose.
> | >>
> | >> The problems are when we need special software like authorization or
> | >> video intercept managers to be loaded, as this is just practially not
> | >> possible.
> | >>
> | >> Andrew.
> | >> -----Original Message-----
> | >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> | >> Behalf Of yusuf
> | >> Sent: 11 October 2005 22:14
> | >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> | >> Subject: [access-uk] tonight's intouch
> | >>
> | >> Hi all, I was slightly surprised when listening to tonight's intouch
> | >> item on the Freedom box that someone didn't mention the likelyhood
> | >> that a blind person wouldn't simply be able to go up to a computer in
> | >> an internet cafae,
> | >> library or university and just plug in this external USB device.
> | > In-fact
> | >> I'm
> | >> even more surprised that someone in one of the three places that
> Sunil
> | >> tried
> | >> to use the freedom box didn't ask him what he thought he was up to. I
> | >> know
> | >> the program is very tite but something as fundamental as this, should
> | >> have
> | >> been pointed out. A lot of les technologically minded people are
> going
> | >> to
> | >> have the idea that they can simply take this device an dplug it
> | >> anywhere.
> | >> Despite the fact that most publicly available computers won't allow
> | > this
> | >> and
> | >> many won't even have USB ports.
> | >>
> | >> Yusuf
> | >>
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