Alistair, you may find that Windows 8.1 solves some of these problems. If not you might find it useful to remove Firefox bodily with something like Revo Uninstaller, and then do a clean installation of the latest Firefox. My system has been much better for getting Windows 8.1, which for once actually seems to be an upgrade. Word of warning, the 8.1 installation is a pretty long process. I left mine to sort itself out overnight. Vince. ======================================== Message Received: Nov 28 2013, 01:13 PM From: "Alistair" To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Subject: [access-uk] Re: system access V NVDA? Hi Vince, useing IE 11 but can’t seem to get the latest firefox to work properly with either screen reader, it starts then freezes and it is the latest build. will have a look at all of the below, thank you! eyes duly coming at 4.30! Just hope I can make the transition! From: Vincent Thacker Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 12:35 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: system access V NVDA? Alistair, Wonder what browser you're using? NVDA should work passably well with most of them, but it definitely has an affinity with Firefox. Control and F sounds like a browser command, not a screen-reader command. Try Insert and F. The code-reading business - I get some URLs recited to me when there is some object or other that is not labelled. If you have WebVisum installed, it might be worth using its labelling facilities to make these objects more transparent on pages you visit often. Webvisum only works with Firefox, though. The nearest thing to the Jaws cursor is NVDA's object navigation functions. I'm not that great at using them myself, and it would make a very long email to explain it, but it's all in the NVDA User Guide. There is an OCR add-on for NVDA that in a small way can translate graphical buttons with text on into speech. It's well worth having this installed. More info here:- http://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ocr.en.html Hope that gives you some clues. Good luck with Windows 8.1. When the setup screen comes on, you won't be able to get any speech, so hope you can borrow a pair of eyes. Vince. ======================================== Message Received: Nov 28 2013, 11:49 AM From: "Alistair" To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Subject: [access-uk] Re: system access V NVDA? Hi vince, Sometimes I get a screen cluttered with what sounds like code especially on the net. Whilst I do think for a freeby it is amazing I do miss the jfw curser which sometimes allows access to buttons otherwise invisible! I also have never mastered the ctr F command to find items on a web page, it either ignores me or misses the word entirely! Don’t think it likes me! lol! Think I may re-install it and see how we go, updateing to windows 8.1 later today so no option but to use NVDA as I don’t think JFW 14 works with it! Thanks alistair