[access-uk] Re: smart phones and touch screens
- From: Saqib <saqibh23@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 09:40:00 +0100
Hi. Can anyone recommend a keyboard case for the iPhone 5 as I did buy one on
Amazon and the keys were too flat for my liking and I haven't used it since.
On 14 Sep 2013, at 12:31, "goshawk on horseback"
<goshawk_on_horseback@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> unfortunately, the specs are generally much lower on the google phones,
> compared to the Samsung ones, from what I have looked at.
>
> Simon
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 11:05 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: smart phones and touch screens
>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> You won't get any argument from me on what you've said, except that you
> missed the point that accessibility is better in 4.3, while you are stuck
> and will be for some time, on 4.1.2, because of Samsung, not Google, unless
> you custom ROM your phone.
>
> If you get a pure Google phone, accessibility is quite a bit better. It's
> not Google's fault that accessibility is so bad on some phones, it's the
> skins that manufacturers like Samsung choose to put on them.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Michael A Ray
> Sent: 14 September 2013 00:53
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: smart phones and touch screens
>
> Hello Steve,
>
> I don't agree that I'm being unfair on Android's accessibility.
>
> Where devices claim to have accessibility built-in, why does it always
> feel like it has been bolted-on after the event? Screen-readers always
> seem to have to cope with the visual interface.
>
> This is easy to understand with environments like Windows or Linux where
> the screen-reader is definitely something seperate to the operating
> system and has to cope as best it can with all the myriad of development
> tools and even levels of awareness of accessibility from software
> developers. But when the accessibility features are part of the
> original system, they still seem to be trying to shoe-horn non-visuality
> onto a visual tool.
>
> The only thing I have ever found where that is not the case is in
> Emacspeak, which describes itself as 'the complete audio desktop' for
> Linux/Unix. And it really is.
>
> If developers in the teams from Android and IOS stop trying to force one
> paradigm onto another, non-visual access onto a visual platform, then
> accessibility could so much better.
>
> And it's easy to fall into the trap of saying something is good simply
> because it's better than nothing or better than the last one. It really
> could be so much better.
>
> Sighted programmers sit down to write a visual interface and when they
> are done they then think, I suppose we better make it accessible. They
> need to start thinking from day one that they need to make an accessible
> interface.
>
> Mike
>
> On 13/09/2013 23:31, Steve Nutt wrote:
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> You're being a little unfair on Google, since the apps are more accessible
>> in V4.3, and you only have V4.1.2, since you have the S3.
>>
>> Get a pure Google phone and you get a more pure experience.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Michael A Ray
>> Sent: 13 September 2013 16:02
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: smart phones and touch screens
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> I got a Samsung S3 mini a few weeks ago and have gone, and am still
>> going through, a long period of adjustment.
>>
>> It is very frustrating at first and not helped by some things being
>> spoken by the screen-reader which are just not accurate.
>>
>> For example, to unlock the screen, my phone speaks 'double tap and swipe
>> to unlock'. It took me ages of double-clicking and swiping before I
>> discovered that it is NOT a double tap but a single tap followed by
>> putting your fingertip back down and immediately swiping right without
>> leaving the screen again.
>>
>> So I would personally say, yes it is very difficult and frustrating but
>> it is possible to get it but it will take work and there will be times,
>> at first, when you want to throw the phone against the wall.
>>
>> And I would say as far as Android goes, a few of the apps aimed at
>> improving accessibility are a necessity because Google have just not put
>> enough effort into off-the-shelf accessibility.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On 13/09/2013 14:31, Jim McAuslan wrote:
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>> Earlier today I wandered into my local O2 shop to investigagte how to
>>> use a smart phone with a touch screen. I tried out both the Samsung
>>> Galaxy S3 and the S4 and had a very difficult and disempowering
>>> experience.
>>> I just couldn't seem to get the "double tap" thing going and both
>>> phones kept on bombarding me with loads of information that I founhd
>>> distracting. I came away feeling slightly depressed and disempowered.
>>> Am I alone when it comes to touch phones with speech?
>
>
> --
> Michael A. Ray
> Analyst/Programmer
> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
>
> Ham Radio Call-sign: G4XBF, licensed since 1982
>
> Don't just sit there, learn something
>
> Raspberry VI:
> http://www.raspberryvi.org/
> NVDA, the best free screen-reader in the world:
> http://www.nvda-project.org/
>
>
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