HI Jim I think that is the point I am making, Freedom Scientific do not want a second hand market in their software, therefore as you say you cannot recoup the cost. Realistically speaking buying software from someone second hand at reduced price then and upgrading would be unlikely to be good value for the buyer even though FS in this might get the money if the user upgraded assuming they chose to. The preferable route is for those who want to buy their JAWS get the latest version themselves and how they choose to proceed themselves with upgrades will be up to them but they would be good for the current crop of machines out there. Anything JAWS 9.0 and below is not much good when you cannot use the latest browser anyway and you can only use it with an old version of Office which is no longer available. Windows XP is one day no longer going to be a practical position for many more years to come. Regards. Tristram Llewellyn Technical Support Sight and Sound Technology -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jim mcauslan Sent: 18 June 2012 10:44 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: selling a jaws license Ok Tris, Point taken, but if I purchase the upgrade, £120 and the transfer fee £75, then I've spent £195 gbefore I try to sell this product on. I'd be as well to give it away. Also, whoever I could sell this to, they would want the latest upgrade to? So rather than sitting in my drawer doing nothing, FS will get the upgrade price, and they've already had the original purchse price, so is it going to cost them more to support that product under a different owner? Jim McAuslan from sunny Findhorn jim.mcauslan@xxxxxxx minds are like parachutes work best when open ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tristram Llewellyn" <tristram.llewellyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:21 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: selling a jaws license > Dear Jim > > Software is unlike anything else we have in the real world in that it is > not a "thing" that you have to own that actually depreciates, but instead > with software you purchase is the right to use it which is sometimes > transferrable or not according to the stipulation of the developer as > rights granted to you by its license. > > Part of the reason for this is that software has an ongoing cost regarding > its maintenance even if you no longer own it yourself. If you sell JAWS > for X amount of money that goes back into your pocket, whilst the cost of > supporting it still lies with Freedom Scientific and associated dealers. > A table or any other object can be sold and the deal is done it usually > does not require anything else however nobody is going to help if you get > a chip in the table or the leg falls off. For software it is different > because those who will have to continue to look after that copy of JAWS > brought by another individual still have the ongoing duty and cost to > maintenance and support it, replace activations, replace a dongle, figure > out why something doesn't work. This is the thinking behind a > registration fee. > > The requirement to upgrade to the latest version is more an indication > that Freedom Scientific does not want a second hand market in its > software. Some developers don't even allow you to transfer a license to > another individual. I own several software titles that are like this. On > some of these if I lose a dongle I would literally have to buy the > software all over again. With JAWS as long as your are registered you do > not have to buy your license over again. > > One reason personally why I don’t think the second hand market in software > is so good is that sometimes those with software to sell do not always > play nicely. I have personally seen more than once where somebody has > brought off a blind forum and found somebody has taken their money but not > provided to keys to the software license itself leaving the buyer high and > dry. This should never happen but it does. > > I know now (and of course it is a Monday morning) that the hounds of hell > will be unleashed upon me as a result of putting my head above the > parapet. > Regards. > > Tristram Llewellyn > Technical Support > Sight and Sound Technology > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of jim mcauslan > Sent: 18 June 2012 08:21 > To: access-uk > Subject: [access-uk] selling a jaws license > > Hi List, > > I have a lisence for Jaws professional version 12 and it is now surplus to > requirement but I found out that if I wish to sell on the lisence I have > to > firstly upgrade it to the latest version and then pay a transfer of > ownership fee of £80 or there abouts. > > My question is why can't I sell this product to whoever is willing to pay > for it? > Why does it have to be the latest version and why does it cost so much to > transfer ownership? > > Seems like a huge rip off curtesy of Freedom Scientific, or am I just > being > overly cynical? > > Jim McAuslan from sunny Findhorn > jim.mcauslan@xxxxxxx > minds are like parachutes > work best when open > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. > For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. > For more information please visit http://www.symanteccloud.com > ______________________________________________________________________ > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service. 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