[access-uk] Re: re building a Web Site
- From: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 21:49:32 +0100
Word isn't just a converter. Like OpenOffice.org Writer, it has a
webpage view and code view to go alongside the normal and page preview
views used when authoring print documents. But of course, the mere
presence of such views doesn't make Word a good tool for the job.
But I'd probably give the honour of being the worst tool to Apple's
iWeb, where the authoring tool has no concept of headings and the output
apparently consists of styled div and span elements. I suspect Word's
particularly bad reputation comes from that fact that web professionals
often find themselves having to clean up the horrendous web markup
generated with Word - a task so common and so onerous that the HTML Tidy
tool has to have special options to deal with it.
--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Léonie Watson wrote:
> Christopher,
>
> I think Word is more of a conversion tool than a development one.
> It's capability is focused on converting Word documents into web pages, =
> not
> building web pages from scratch.
>
> Whether I'm right about that or not, Word is universally recognised
> as being about the worst tool you could use to create a web page. The =
> code
> quality is lousy, the resulting web pages are bloated and poorly =
> structured
> and accessibility is almost entirely overlooked.
>
> Regards,
> L=E9onie.
>
> Regards,
> L=E9onie.=20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf =
> Of
> Christopher Hallsworth
> Sent: 06 May 2007 19:09
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: re building a Web Site
>
> Indeed, Visual Web Developer Express does default to generating markup =
> for
> Internet Explorer, but this can be changed through the powerful options
> dialogue, found from within the tools menu of the IDE. Also, if you're
> saying that Word isn't designed for creating websites, then why is there =
> a
> help topic devoted to creating websites? Sounds like heavy advertising =
> to
> me, but I might be missing something.
> On Fri, 04 May 2007 00:54:54 +0100, "Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis"
> <bhawkeslewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:
>> Microsoft Word isn't designed for website production full stop. Being=20
>> able to save documents to pseudo-HTML isn't the same thing as being a=20
>> website creation tool.
>> =20
>> If you do want to spend a few hundred bucks on some software, you=20
>> could buy DreamWeaver.
>> =20
>> Generally, I'd invest money in hiring designers, programmers, and=20
>> testers rather than buying programs, because there's almost always a=20
>> free alternative that does what you need.
>> =20
>> Just so people understand, Microsoft FrontPage no longer exists, it's=20
>> been retired. The Microsoft Visual Web Developer range has replaced=20
>> FrontPage; it's not a rival product. The Express Edition is the free=20
>> version. From what I've seen of it, Visual Web Developer still=20
>> defaults to generating markup tailored for use with Internet Explorer, =
>
>> rather than for general web interoperability.
>> =20
>> You could also use NVU or Amaya, which are free and open source=20
>> authoring tools:
>> =20
>> http://www.nvu.com/index.php
>> =20
>> http://www.w3.org/Amaya/
>> =20
>> I'd strongly recommend using an ordinary text editor or IDE=20
>> (Integrated Development Environment) for marking up documents instead=20
>> of /any/ of these tools. But in any case I would suggest learning HTML =
>
>> before attempting to produce a website with such quick-fix programs,=20
>> so that you have some understanding of their idiosyncrasies. It helps=20
>> you understand what's going on when somebody comes back and complains=20
>> that (for example) the ActiveX control Visual Web Developer dumped=20
>> into your page doesn't work in their Firefox web browser.
>> =20
>> But Alan was warned about professionals. <grin/>
>> =20
>> Note that if Alan's son's website is to be an actual online store=20
>> where customers buy products and orders are tracked in a database,=20
>> rather than just a promotional website, it will likely prove more=20
>> cost-effective to hire someone to build and maintain the site, partly=20
>> because of the complex security issues involved in taking payments and =
>
>> protecting user data. Another alternative might be to use a totally=20
>> hosted but skinnable third-party solution like Shopify:
>> =20
>> http://shopify.com/
>> =20
>> --
>> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
>> =20
>> Christopher Hallsworth wrote:
>>> Just a pointer. If your son cannot afford the money for Microsoft=20
>>> FrontPage or Word, he can write web pages without knowing HTML by=20
>>> downloading the free Microsoft Visual Web Developer Express Edition.
>>> Visit http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express to find out more.=20
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> On Thu, 3 May 2007 15:51:56 +0100, "Ray's Home"
>>> <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:
>>>> Well, I hear the HTML that Front Page churns out isn't as bad as=20
>>>> Word itself.
>>>>
>>>> If your son does want to go the more techy route he could do worse=20
>>>> than look at a link which, I think, was posted here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.benjaminhawkeslewis.com/www/web-design/getting-started
>>>>
>>>> HTH.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From Ray
>>>> I can be contacted off-list at:
>>>> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of George Bell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Alan,
>>>>
>>>> If your son can use something like Word for Windows, and=20
>>>> understands the basics of files and folders, then he should find=20
>>>> getting a web site up and running is a doddle with something like=20
>>>> Microsoft Front Page.
>>>>
>>>> Having had some seriously nasty quotes from so called=20
>>>> professionals, that's exactly what I did. Take a look at=20
>>>> http://www.techno-vision.co.uk. It's not brilliant, but it needs=20
>>>> to be accessible, simple, and not have me spending hours pouring=20
>>>> over HTML code.
>>>>
>>>> The "professionals" here will doubtless say that FrontPage's HTML=20
>>>> is rubbish and all sorts, but who sees that anyway - it works,=20
>>>> doesn't it?
>>>>
>>>> George.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of alan pollard
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:19 PM
>>>> To: access uk
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] re building a Web Site
>>>>
>>>> Hi List members,my Son has asked me to inquire through my list=20
>>>> memberships about alternatives ways re setting up a Business Web=20
>>>> Site, that is the Economics and the practicality of building one=20
>>>> from available downloadable Software,as compared to getting it=20
>>>> contracted out ,If anyone has any imformation such as Sites to=20
>>>> visit,or personal experiences with building a Site,or any other=20
>>>> imfo, they could share with us,it would be much appreciatedThank=20
>>>> you in advance.Alan!.=3D20
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