[access-uk] Re: problem with a website
- From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:21:22 +0100
Kevin,
4.2 is about the only version I haven't got installed just now.
Curious though that it doesn't react to them. It should, if you see what I
mean, but perhaps we should be thankful that it doesn't. *Smile.
Tink.
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
kevin and emma
Sent: 04 July 2005 21:32
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: problem with a website
hi tink and will, aha! now i see! i take it then bug or not, there's nothing
in jfw i can change to stop it doing this? just wondering because jaws 4.2
doesn't seem to take notice of the tab index as i can tab through that page
with no problems.
kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list contact me on
kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 7:46 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: problem with a website
> Hi,
>
> This is also the behaviour for IE, so it's not a JAWS bug. That combo box
> seems to be the only one with a TabIndex attribute, and so both JAWS and
IE
> look to be placing elements with a TabIndex before elements without a
> TabIndex in the tab sequence.
>
> This tab sequence is defined in the HTML 4.01 recommendation from the w3C,
> available from:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#adef-tabindex
> which reads:
> "Elements that may receive focus should be navigated by user agents
> according to the following rules:
> 1. Those elements that support the
> tabindex attribute and assign a positive value to it are navigated first.
> Navigation proceeds from the element with the lowest tabindex
> value to the element with the highest value. Values need not be sequential
> nor must they begin with any particular value. Elements that have
identical
> tabindex values should be navigated in the order they appear in the
> character stream.
> 2. Those elements that do not support the
> tabindex attribute or support it and assign it a value of "0" are
navigated
> next. These elements are navigated in the order they appear in the
character
> stream.
> 3. Elements that are
> disabled do not participate in the tabbing order."
>
> So, it's definately a design bug in the web page.
>
> Will
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 7:12 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: problem with a website
>
>
> > Kevin,
> >
> > I'm now absolutely sure it's the web code that's causing the
> > problem. I've looked at that Thames Link page with Jaws 4.5, 5.1, 6.0,
6.1
> > and 6.2 and they all behave exactly the same.
> >
> > If it's any help, I've put together a page on my web site that uses
> > this tab indexing technique:
> >
> > http://www.tink.co.uk/xhtml/tabindex.php
> >
> > If you move to the first heading on the page, you'll find an
> > explanation of what I've done.
> >
> > Tink.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> > Of
> > kevin and emma
> > Sent: 02 July 2005 14:35
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: problem with a website
> >
> > hi tink, what i'm going to try later today is removing jaws 6 altogether
> > and
> > reinstalling it. i'll then know if it's something i've changed that has
> > upset jfw. though i'm not sure what change could have created this
> > problem.
> > i'll report back later! smile.
> > kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list contact
me
> > on
> > kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 2:26 PM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: problem with a website
> >
> >
> >> Kevin,
> >>
> >> I wasn't aware that there was a difference, although it sounds very
> >> much like there must be.
> >>
> >> It's curious, tab indexing has been around for a long while and I'm
> >> not sure how Jaws could be configuered to deal with it differentlyI've
> >> got
> >> v4.5 installed at work, so I'll see if I can figure it out next week.
> >>
> >> I did try Sunil's suggestion of switching of page refresh, but this
> >> didn't seem to make much difference in 6.2. Curious.
> >>
> >> Tink.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> > Of
> >> kevin and emma
> >> Sent: 01 July 2005 20:59
> >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: problem with a website
> >>
> >> hi tink, i take it then that there's something different in the way
jfw6
> >> handles such webpages compared to jfw4.2, as with 4.2 the page behaves
as
> > it
> >> should. thanks for the info by the way.
> >> kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list contact
me
> > on
> >> kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:44 PM
> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: problem with a website
> >>
> >>
> >> > Kevin,
> >> >
> >> > This is a web design issue, rather than a Jaws one.
> >> >
> >> > The site uses something called Tab Indexing. You can apply tab
> >> > indexing to elements on a page, most commonly form fields and the
like.
> >> What
> >> > this does is force the tab key to move in a very specific order,
quite
> >> > often, nothing like the natural order of the web page as you'd expect
> > it.
> >> >
> >> > This is a poor design method, used when pages have no natural or
> >> > logical order from the outset. I'm afraid I don't believe there's
> > anything
> >> > you can do to overcome this, aside frm sending a complaint to the
site
> >> > deveopers or owners.
> >> >
> >> > Tink.
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> >> > Behalf
> >> Of
> >> > kevin and emma
> >> > Sent: 01 July 2005 18:22
> >> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Subject: [access-uk] problem with a website
> >> >
> >> > hi all, i'm having trouble navigating:
> >> > http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/incidents/cleared.html
> >> >
> >> > using jfw6.1. for some reason on the nationalrail website as a whole,
> > the
> >> > "tab" key isn't taking me to the next link. on the page above for
> > example,
> >> > if i go to the top of the page and press tab, jaws seems to ignore
most
> > of
> >> > the page and drops me in a combo box in the journey planner near the
> >> bottom
> >> > of the page. it seems no matter where i place myself, if it's above
> >> > this
> >> > journey planner, jaws skips into it. there's plenty of links on that
> > page,
> >> > but jfw doesn't seem to want to know. it's only this site this
happens
> >> with.
> >> > any ideas?
> >> > kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list
contact
> > me
> >> on
> >> > kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >
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