Hi Derek, Basically, you can buy a mobile in any of the following ways. Contract with sim. Pay as you go with sim Both these methods you will find that the phone is locked to that one particular provider, not the sim. That means that if you buy a vodafone pay as you go phone, though it will be locked to vodafone, you can use any other voda sim be it from a contract or from an earlier pay as you go handset. Some of the voda contract phones used to come unlocked, not sure if any do now but my last 6680 was locked to voda but for around £20 to £30, they will unlock it for you. Above was for a new phone, you could try second hand. Also, you can buy phones sim free which means they are unlocked to any network and do not come with a sim. It's also the most expensive way to get a phone as providers do not subsidise the phone. Remember though that if you have a contract phone, you can get a new upgraded handset generally every 12 to 18 months. There will be a small upgrade charge depending on the phone you are upgrading to. Hope that helps. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek Hornby To: access-uk Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 8:30 PM Subject: [access-uk] mobile phone handsets Hi all Does anyone know do all new mobile phone handsets always come with a Sim as part of the package? I am aware of course that provided the handset isn't locked into one telephone service, one can use any SIM in the handset. Point is, one may w a new handset only because old one is faulty, so in a case like that one would just switch SIMS! So I am just wondering why do so many new handsets still come with a SIM whenone may not even use the one in the box. Regards, Derek e-mail: derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.1/348 - Release Date: 25/05/2006