[access-uk] Re: jaws scripts for ITunes

  • From: "Brian Hartgen" <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:39:35 +0100

You would want to use ITunes because:
1. Some visually impaired people have found some difficulties with accessing 
Annapod explorer in terms of its relationship with the IPod Shuffle. Now I am 
sure some people will say they can access it, but some are having some real 
2. Particularly if people are getting the IPod from audible, why should they 
pay extra for Annapod when potentially we have access to ITunes.
3. There apparently is a problem transferring audible books via Annapod, in 
that when you quit the book and return to it, you lose your place. This does 
not seem to happen with transferring the book via ITunes 4.8.
Those are a few reasons, and, having done some more work on the scripts today, 
I can say that the access to ITunes is looking very good, even to the point 
where you can import CD tracks directly into ITunes, selecting the individual 
tracks you want. I just hope another release of ITunes does not come along 
destroying all my accessibility. That's often the problem with updates, 
although I would not mind if they made the whole application completely 
accessible without scripts, that's the ideal, but we would not want a step 

Brian Hartgen
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steve Nutt 
  To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 5:26 PM
  Subject: [access-uk] Re: jaws scripts for ITunes

  Hi Brian,

  Why use Itunes at all, when the Red Chair Software's Ipod Explorer is 
supposed to be accessible out of the box?

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  From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Brian Hartgen
  Sent: 25 June 2005 13:12
  To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [access-uk] Re: jaws scripts for ITunes

  It comes with the IPod, but you may not have the latest version which is 4.8. 
So you should download it.

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Andy Collins 
    To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:52 PM
    Subject: [access-uk] Re: jaws scripts for ITunes

    Will the I-Tunes software come with the Shuffle from Audible, or does it 
have to be downloaded from somewhere else? Is it a free programme?

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Damon 
      To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 11:15 AM
      Subject: [access-uk] Re: jaws scripts for ITunes

      brian, that's fabulous. This could be the thing that tips me into buying 
an MP3 player at last. 

      Will your scripts work with jaws 5? And which version of the iTunes 
software will you be basing it on? I understand that there is a new one that 
has either just launched or is about to launch that also has Podcast 
functionality built into its core. 

      Incidentally, my girlfriend has an iPod and so we have iTunes installed 
on this computer. If I get my own iPod, will it mean I can share the songs she 
has downloaded for herself from the iTunes store? Any ideas? 

      Cheers, waiting with baited breath.


        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Brian Hartgen 
        To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 4:32 PM
        Subject: [access-uk] jaws scripts for ITunes

        Members of the BCAB list may have seen my message to the effect that 
audible.co.uk was officially launched on 15 June.  All the prices on the site 
are now in British pounds, they have a British phone number on there to contact 
them if you want to, and there is British content on the site as well as the 
existing material.  There are British people on the end of the phone line too 
(smile)! I know, I've spoken to them.

        Given that Audible.co.uk are now offering a free IPod Shuffle if you 
sign up for one of their listener plans, and because there are problems with 
transferring audible books using Annapod explorer, I have decided to create 
some jaws scripts for ITunes to make ITunes a totally keyboard accessible 
program as far as I can.  Now that audible.co.uk is properly up and running, I 
am really keen to promote it as of course any source of audio books is a good 
thing.  Added to this, if we have a situation where a visually impaired person 
can get the IPod Shuffle and not have to pay anything additional, this is a 

        These scripts will be free of charge, basically because I am creating 
them since I personally want access to ITunes and the Shuffle to transfer books 
        audible.  They should be ready for anyone who would like them some time 
within the next two weeks, and if people would like them as and when, please 
        me a message.
        At the moment, the following features are included.  Please remember I 
am at an early stage with this.
        1. I have included the ability to track focus in the various lists, for 
example what I call the main category list displaying such items as "library, 
        music store, etc."  The good thing is that my scripts do not depend 
upon highlight colour assignments to track the focus.  This should also apply 
to the
        list of songs in the opposite list which shows which songs are on the 
IPod Shuffle, although this has not been tested yet as I am awaiting my new IPod
        from Audible.
        2. The concept behind these scripts is that everything should be 
accessible from the keyboard.  Therefore, we have a keystroke which moves you 
        into the library area where all the music or books are stored.  Once 
there, you can use navigational keystrokes to move forward and back through the 
available songs or books in your library. Jaws will
        announce the song in the library as you move to it, and will advise you 
when you get to the top or bottom of the list.
        3. If you use the library navigation keys to find a song you wish to 
manipulate in the library such as to play it or delete it, use a separate 
keystroke to select it, whereupon it can be manipulated.
        4. The other thing I have done is to make it possible to drag and drop 
into ITunes from windows explorer, and this seems to work well with audible 
         You find the file you want, copy it to the clipboard with control+C, 
then alt+tab over to ITunes, and hit control+V to paste it in there.

        That's about it for the moment, but if anyone has any further 
suggestions, feel free to let me know.

        Brian Hartgen

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