hi all well that's it I gave up and sent the ipod back so thanks to all that tried to help me. but well im not beaten yet!! plan b what do people know about the i phones do they work with screen readers like talks or mobile speak or the one from dolphin which name escapes me at the mo. the thing is my mobile will be up for renewal soon and well that seems it might be the way to go any way. so if any one can help me with this it would be great. cheers Joe