Hmm, will look at those, I have a griffin one at the moment, that's a plastic shell which clips onto the phone, then a rubber case which slips over the lot, leaving the screen free, which I promptly covered with a screen protector. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu Sent: 27 June 2014 13:08 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: iphone and other stuff was RE: Re: More Nokia C5 Woes Hi Martin. Have you looked at the Otter box Defender range of cases? I'm sure I remember seeing one for the iPhone 5C and yes, they are pretty much indestructible as the case consists of a plastic polycarbonate shell and rubber overlay, so that's two layers of protection. All the best, Ibrahim. -----Original Message----- From: martin wilsher Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 11:42 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] iphone and other stuff was RE: Re: More Nokia C5 Woes I have recently gone for an apple iphone, as I didn't much like the moto g, and what's more, I got a fantastic deal on the iphone5c at upgrade time that completely rocks, so went that way. Finding the iphone 5c good, but finding accessories for it, cases etc, a pest to find. Found a stylus now so I can write and also type faster, I may try flexey as others have said that one to be a good app for speeding up typing when you're a fat fingered personage like me. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of john gallagher Sent: 27 June 2014 11:27 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes one thing you must do is just sit down and really learn it all because the future is android or apple for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent Thacker <vince@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Friday, 27 June 2014 11.20 am Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes > > > Martin, > > I agree with most of what you say here, but would be a lot more > positive about Android. The fact remains that many blind people are finding phones like the Moto G usable, and the price is about #150. There are some active blind Android mailing lists, and other forms of support are growing. OK, something like the Moto G will feel very different from the C5, but some people are finding it a practical answer. > > Vince. > > > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Jun 27 2014, 09.59 AM > From: "martin wilsher" > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: > Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes > > Imho at the moment The problem with drift of the mobile industry is > that we have the bespoke phones, alto 2, and another that I can't > remember the name of sold by Cobolt for those with usable sight. We > used to have talks, now defunct, then we get to Android, not easy for > older people, I consider android with its somewhat questionable > accessability to be the Linux of the mobile world. Then there is > apple, the gold standard at the moment. I have deliberately left out > Microsoft here, as their commitment to accessibility is questionable > imho, especially when they scrap cymbian, then put out a blog asking > "what do we do for blind p""com" when they realised they'd also binned > a screen reader with the old moble os. Microsoft are said to be > getting narrator for windows phone eight, though whether that will be > a patch on apple's voiceover, I can't say. Until then, the tie up with > mobilespeak seems to be a rather walled garden solution, not a true > screen reader at the moment. So basically for the budget user, we have > no usable solutions at the minute, other than the bespoke, some call > them blindie phones, I call them meeting a need in a very confusing > and fast moving market. Imho, Microsoft have acted in a very short > sighted and disgusting manner and did immeasurable damage to their > credibility with the move away from cymbian, without implementing a > full access solution for the new windows eight phone before retiring > the old os.-Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Jackie Brown > Sent: 27 June 2014 08.49 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes > > Hi Ibrahim > > I agree, absolutely, but Jim said he has limited funds, and unless he > goes to the second-hand market, I could only think of the Alto2 as a > quick solution. > > > Kind regards, > > Jackie Brown > Twitter: @thebrownsplace > Skype: Thejackmate > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu > Sent: 26 June 2014 19.21 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes > > Hi Jackie. > > Surely the Alto 2 is a very basic phone which has very limited features. > You couldn't compare the two devices if you tried, and Jim would be > losing a > > lot of functionality by moving to such a cheap dumb phone. > > All the best, Ibrahim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jackie Brown > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 4.43 PM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: More Nokia C5 Woes > > Hi Jim > > With limited funds, and in keeping with the type of phone you already > have, perhaps the nearest would be the Alto2 from RNIB? I suggest this > because it is unlocked, and will enable you to simply swap over your > Sim card. It also has a tactile keypad, and you wouldn't need to > purchase a Talks upgrade because speech is built into the Alto2. > > I hope this helps give you some food for thought. > > > > Kind regards, > > Jackie Brown > Twitter: @thebrownsplace > Skype: Thejackmate > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Jim Williams > Sent: 26 June 2014 14.51 > To: BCAB Discussion List > Cc: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] More Nokia C5 Woes > > Hi Lists, > > Apologies for cross posting but I need as much advice as possible. > > I thought the battery had died on my C5 but tests prove this not to be > the case. I have been informed that is probably a display malfunction > or even a motherboard issue. The display will cost #25-#30 alone to > rectify, with possibly a similar amount for the motherboard replacement. > > Rather than spend such an amount on repairs I was wondering if anyone > can point me to a replacement of some kind. 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