[access-uk] Re: incapacity benifit to be axed
- From: "martin wilsher" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:56:34 +0100
What atw nees to be structured to include is a provision of funding, so that
one can go into the interview with a "funding in principle, so the employers
don't look upon the equipment that blind people need as an insumountable
drain.
Hope to hear from you soon.
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Barry Hill
Sent: 20 July 2008 15:11
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: incapacity benifit to be axed
I have a feeling that this is an attempt to get people who are swinging the
lead off incapacity benefit and, if it enables some seriously disabled, such
as blind, deaf or severely mentally disabled people to get off the benefit,
then that's good. It seems to be a catch all scheme that is to catch the
workers rather than one that will give incapacity benefit to anyone. In
theory, it seems that it is, at worse, an inconvenience for seriously
disabled people but, ultimately, of greater benefit to them if they can show
that they are unable to work. However, as you say, in practice it might
show that someone like us is capable of working but cannot get a job as
employers are reluctant to employ people with, what they perceive to be,
insurmountable disabilities. What needs to happen is for ATW to be part and
parcel of this scheme, and it needs tightening up too.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "martin wilsher" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:50 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: incapacity benifit to be axed
The thing we all have to remember here is that employers have to be forced
to employ disabled people. If they didn't have to be forced to accept
disabled people, then why have the DDA? I do not think the employment
support allowance will do anything for the numbers of blind people in
employment. I believe it is yet another way of the government reducing the
numbers of people on benefits in any arbitrary way they can. I went on new
deal for disabled people, and that was so badly run it was useless. The
idea was to try and throw the blind person at companies, quote the law at
them and say employ this person? Then the company would just walk away, and
within a year, I was told, "oh we haven't found you a job so you're off the
course. How crap is that? The fact an employer treated me like shit and I
was forced to leave within three days of employment is neither here nor
there. Me thinks this ESA will prove more of a problem than a solution. I
heard that voluntary work was classed as trying to find meaningful work
though, is this correct? Even then, I've found that blind people have
problems finding that. I have voluntary work, but I have to travel a long
way a week to do the work, which I'm not begrudging. The thing is, it is
not the fact blind people cannot work that is the problem, it is the fact
the attitudes of employers say they cannot work which is the problem.
Forcing blind people or any disabled people into jobs where they are limited
or cannot do the job is not going to sort the problem of getting more
disabled people into work. This will work for those with back problems,
some emotional issues etc, where the solutions can be cheaper etc, but for
the big ticket disabilities like blindness, I don't think the features of
the ESA will work. Forcing blind people into interviews is all well and
good, but when it comes to the interview with the employer, as Derek said,
employers don't want disabled people, so the blind person will not get a job
if the employer doesn't want to employ them, either through fear of blind
people or through other reasons.
Hope to hear from you soon.
From Martin.
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m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Barry Hill
Sent: 20 July 2008 10:39
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: incapacity benefit to be axed
Hi Will and all
This document is a little out of date, being May 2006. The green paper was
changed a little such as, where it says that there are no plans for people
who have been claiming incapacity benefit to go on this scheme, from April
2010 all existing incapacity benefits claimants will be required to take the
work capability assessment.
One odd thing, from a personal point of view, is that the initial phase
isn't due to come in until Octover this year. However, after a short work
experience, I have made a fresh claim for incapacity benefit and have been
put on the scheme, although my incapacity benefit, so far, hasn't been
affected. I am curious as to how well it has provisioned for blind people.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "will lomas" <lomaswilliam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 8:51 PM
Subject: [access-uk] incapacity benifit to be axed
hi to all
Read this article on the supposed employement seekers allowance we are
all getting from this year
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmwor
pen/616/61607.htm
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