[access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
- From: "David Russell" <david.russell8@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 16:17:05 +0100
Angel,
If you have windows 98 then the Book Courier is not for you.
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
Of Angel
Sent: 16 April 2005 13:15
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
I will have to look in to the currier. Does the currier support windows 98.
The book port doesn't. If, however, if you want a free, sort of, player the
muvo is the ticket.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 6:28 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
> Hi Angel,
>
> The Muvo is not an Audible player manufactured especially for Audible,
like
> the Otis is, it is a Creative player that just happens to play Audible as
> well. This is a nicer player, but not as nice as the hard drive models,
> such as the Iriver, and Archos models. Shame they don't play Audible as
> well. So I still say the best Audible player is the Book Courier. Not
only
> that, the Book Courier is fully accessible. I know the Muvo is accessible
> in that it does not have a screen, but you don't know which files you are
> playing, until they play. With the Book Courier, you can browse Audible
> books on the flash card, and pick them, like picking off a bookshelf. You
> also get better battery life with the Courier, and yes, it is better
quality
> than the Muvo. And let's not forget that the Muvo doesn't do bookmarks
> either.
>
> Just my humble, of course.
>
> All the best
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
> Of Angel
> Sent: 16 April 2005 04:15
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
>
>
> They have a new player called the muvo, I think that is how it is spelled,
> which is better than their older one. I know I like it. It acts as a
thumb
> drive on your computer and you can put other types of files on it such as
> mp3's and wma files. I take mine to work all the time.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 7:07 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
>
>
> > Hi Angel,
> >
> > Have you tried the Audible Otis player? It is the worst aspect of
> Audible.
> > The battery life is crap, and the quality is also. You are better off
> with
> > the Book Courier as an Audible player.
> >
> > All the best
> > --
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
> > Of Angel
> > Sent: 15 April 2005 20:31
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
> >
> >
> > You can read fast food nation by subscribing to
> > www.audible.com
> > You must download their audible manager and play the books you purchase
> from
> > there. Audible makes a really good effort at making their site
available
> to
> > the blind subscriber. There are basically two memberships. The basic
> > membership which allows for a book and a subscription to either a radio
> > program or magazine for 14.95 dollars a month. if one pays this fee one
> can
> > download a book and a subscription of any price. The other subscription
> is
> > the same save it allows for two books and no subscriptions. This
> > subscription costs 1995. Audible also gives you free if you commit to
> them
> > for a year an extremely blind friendly portable player on which you can
> play
> > your books. You can put this player in your pocket and listen to the
> player
> > while out and about. Not only does Audible have fast food nation but it
> has
> > other current best sellers as well. If you join and refer others to the
> > service you can get book credits and become eligible for great prizes as
> > well. These books are read by humans and not by synthesizers. Happy
> > reading.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Justin R" <mypc128@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:05 AM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?/audio book issue
> >
> >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > can I just jump in here a sec? Being a person who can read printed
> > material
> > > with a magnifier although, I much prefer material in audio format, i
can
> > get
> > > far more reading done that way and, I'm for going over and over
printed
> > > material several times just to try and read it right, LOL. However,
> > > firstly, I find most of the books I want to read, new ones, are never
> > > available in audio format so, I'm missing out of books I wanna read
now!
> > > Like the book Damon Rose talked about "food Nation" I really would
like
> > to
> > > read that and it's been recommended to me several times over the past
> two
> > > years.
> > >
> > > Secondly, how does every get on with reading books via the PC i.e.
using
> > > screan readers? I ask as, I can't get on with that, the flat drowning
> > voice
> > > just puts me off and easily loose concentration, lol. i tried that
> method
> > > as a daisy book tester for the NLB. From what I'm hearing, that
method
> > > seems combersome anyway, from and info scanning point of view. I know
> I'd
> > > pretty much give up on using that technique as, just waiting for ages
to
> > > read something when sighted people can just pick up a book and off
they
> > go!
> > > We're either having to scan in material, wait hours for it to produce
it
> > in
> > > the format we read, or, like me, you just miss out, waiting an endless
> > > amount of time for the book to come on an audio format.
> > >
> > > this isn't good. So, I can understand people getting audio books by
> means
> > > other than the conventional way.
> > >
> > > OK, I'll shut up now, lol!
> > >
> > > Justin
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Barry" <bbinc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:39 AM
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > >I know what you mean. When you have spent 3 hours scanning a book
from
> > the
> > > > library, you're a bit loathe to delete it when you take the book
back.
> > > > There's also the expense of buying OCR programmes that are half
> decent.
> > > >
> > > > Barry H
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Tyrer, Jonathan" <Jonathan.Tyrer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:30 AM
> > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have no problem paying for books - book sharing isn't about
getting
> > free
> > > > books. What really pisses me off though is having to spend three
> > bleeding
> > > > hours scanning the bugger in before I can read it!
> > > >
> > > > JT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf
> > > > Of Ray's Home
> > > > Sent: 14 April 2005 16:34
> > > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well Angel, if I might join in, lending libraries here in the UK are
a
> > > > public service, well what's left of them! The notion of public
> service
> > > > has
> > > > taken quite a pasting here in the last quarter century so, not
> > > > surprisingly,
> > > > you are often hard pressed to find the latest books there.
> > > >
> > > > As for 'rational' arguments for stealing, well certain theologians
in
> > the
> > > > middle ages did argue that stealing food for survival was OK, just
as
> > > > much
> > > > as you needed to stay alive that is. I guess Daman is arguing for
the
> > > > right
> > > > for food for the soul, as man/woman does not live by food alone.
> > > >
> > > > I can only say that what's left of my reason is down to a lot of
> > reading,
> > > > much of it on tape, when I was very down and depressed. The sheer
> farce
> > > > of
> > > > trying to study at a higher level without anything approaching the
> > breadth
> > > > of material available to other students has to be gone through to be
> > > > believed.
> > > >
> > > > I still have just enough sight to buy books in print occasionally
and
> > its
> > > > certainly a sad fact that your average high street bookshop these
days
> > has
> > > > many times more books available to buy than we get our hands on in
all
> > the
> > > > various formats. I just wonder how much those here would be
prepared
> to
> > > > pay
> > > > to own a copy if that were an option. Seems to me that unabridged
> audio
> > > > books are always going to be at a premium price although I do not
see
> > that
> > > > the margin has to be as high as it is now.
> > > >
> > > > Obviously, this is a very involved subject when you get down to it.
I
> > > > just
> > > > wonder how greater percentage of text material can and will be made
> > > > available, and more to the point, how? Taking the risk of
> resurrecting
> > > > the
> > > > format wars here, Braille versus audio versus computer etc. just how
> > will
> > > > the extreme demand for stuff in whatever format we want hold up to
> > > > reality?
> > > >
> > > > By the way, I've shortened the whole message here as, apart from
> > wondering
> > > > offoff the original topic, I feared it would excede the file size
> > allowed
> > > > on
> > > > this list!
> > > > Ray
> > > >
> > > > Personal emails: Email me at
> > > > mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Angel"
> > > >
> > > >> Libraries give books for free because of their community
obligation,
> > not
> > > >> because of a human rite any may have. Have you tried to get the
> books
> > > >> you
> > > >> seek from sources like Audible.com. The people there have gone out
> of
> > > >> their
> > > >> way to make their site and books accessible to us. There is no
> > rational
> > > >> explanation for stealing.
> > > >
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Damon Rose"
> > > >>
> > > >>> Why shouldn't access to the latest cultural input be seen as a
human
> > > >> right? Libraries give reference books and novels out for free for
> > similar
> > > >> reasons, surely?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> What about classic books of our time, thos that are social
> > commentaries
> > > >> such as 1984 or Catcher in the Rye? They're touchstones in common
> > > >> parliance,
> > > >> using the term 'big brother society' uses a character from a novel
to
> > > >> shortcut, yet also add colour to, an explanation about a
complicated
> > > >> concept
> > > >> that was neatly wrapped up by Orwell.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Books like Turn of the Century in 1999 really tapped into the
> > > >> technological and social zeitgeist.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Books such as Fast Food Nation or Jon Snow's autobiography
Shooting
> > > >> History, for instance, are not exactly reference books but contain
> an
> > > >> awful
> > > >> lot of important and significant commentary and information.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It's hard to draw the line and there's no good reason to continue
to
> > > >>> make
> > > >> books inaccessible.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would prefer to pay publishers and authors for their work so
that
> > they
> > > >> will continue to publish great books. I would like authors to
> benefit
> > > >> from
> > > >> my individual purchase. But if books are inaccessible then they
kind
> > of
> > > >> have to accept that we steal their texts.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> In a lot of ways, they are stealing things away from us in the
first
> > > >> place, we're just steeling it bak again.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ...Damon
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > Angel
> > > >>>
> > > >>> How do you figure having access to the latest novels or whatever
you
> > > >>> want
> > > >> to read is a basic human rite. In which constitution does it say
> this?
> > > >> If
> > > >> you can't read print you can either purchase a scanner and reading
> > > >> software,
> > > >> or go to the library and use their equipment for such pursuits.
> Though
> > > >> basic literacy has been found to be a basic human rite being able
to
> > read
> > > >
> > > >> your favorite novel is not.
> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>> From: "Damon"
> > > >
> > > >>> > Yes, it's a shame isn't it.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > I download illegally shared eBooks too because I can't read
print.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Access to knowledge and culture is a human right and, I'd say we
> > can't
> > > >>> > really describe it as thievery. I'd describe it as taking
> something
> > > >>> > that should rightfully be in our domain anyway.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > It's only thievery if one can get it thru the normal means. If
> you
> > > >>> > are denied access to it, yet fundamentally it should be a human
> > right,
> > > >>> > then
> > > >>> you
> > > >>> > have to be creative and inventive about gaining access to it.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > ...Damon
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>> > From: "Angel"
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > > I would hate to think that to become a part of society one
must
> > > >>> > > resort
> > > >>> to
> > > >>> > > thievery.
> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>> > > From: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > > I use exactly the same argument regarding downloading tv
shows
> > on
> > > >>> > > BitTorrent. If the manufacturers and service providers of
> things
> > > >>> > > like
> > > >>> > TiVo
> > > >>> > > and Sky Digital don't bother to make their products accessible
> > then
> > > >>> > > I'll steal their content from elsewhere in order that I can be
> > part
> > > >>> > > of this
> > > >>> > here
> > > >>> > > society. Thank you. And yes I'd be happy to see what a
> courtroom
> > > >>> > > made
> > > >>> of
> > > >>> > > that too.
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> > > Of Tyrer, Jonathan
> > > >>> > > > Sent: 13 April 2005 15:42
> > > >>> > > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>> > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > I wonder if I should turn myself into the police for
pirating
> > > >>> > > > music
> > > >>> from
> > > >>> > > the Net. None of the pay for music sites are accessible so I
am
> > > >>> > > forced
> > > >>> to
> > > >>> > > steal music instead. I'd like to go to court for that I
think!
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > JT
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> > > Damon Rose
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > Here's another solution. Why don't we just all sue Apple?
Or
> > > >>> > > > mail
> > > >>> them
> > > >>> > > in our droves? All the faffing around we have to do to gain a
> > weeny
> > > >>> > > bit
> > > >>> > of
> > > >>> > > access, whilst still giving these companies our money, really
> > really
> > > >>> bugs
> > > >>> > > the hell out of me.
> > > >>> > > >
> > > >>> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > >>
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