I know what you mean. When you have spent 3 hours scanning a book from the
library, you're a bit loathe to delete it when you take the book back.
There's also the expense of buying OCR programmes that are half decent.
Barry H
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyrer, Jonathan" <Jonathan.Tyrer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:30 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
I have no problem paying for books - book sharing isn't about getting free
books. What really pisses me off though is having to spend three bleeding
hours scanning the bugger in before I can read it!
JT
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
Of Ray's Home
Sent: 14 April 2005 16:34
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
Well Angel, if I might join in, lending libraries here in the UK are a
public service, well what's left of them! The notion of public service
has
taken quite a pasting here in the last quarter century so, not
surprisingly,
you are often hard pressed to find the latest books there.
As for 'rational' arguments for stealing, well certain theologians in the
middle ages did argue that stealing food for survival was OK, just as
much
as you needed to stay alive that is. I guess Daman is arguing for the
right
for food for the soul, as man/woman does not live by food alone.
I can only say that what's left of my reason is down to a lot of reading,
much of it on tape, when I was very down and depressed. The sheer farce
of
trying to study at a higher level without anything approaching the breadth
of material available to other students has to be gone through to be
believed.
I still have just enough sight to buy books in print occasionally and its
certainly a sad fact that your average high street bookshop these days has
many times more books available to buy than we get our hands on in all the
various formats. I just wonder how much those here would be prepared to
pay
to own a copy if that were an option. Seems to me that unabridged audio
books are always going to be at a premium price although I do not see that
the margin has to be as high as it is now.
Obviously, this is a very involved subject when you get down to it. I
just
wonder how greater percentage of text material can and will be made
available, and more to the point, how? Taking the risk of resurrecting
the
format wars here, Braille versus audio versus computer etc. just how will
the extreme demand for stuff in whatever format we want hold up to
reality?
By the way, I've shortened the whole message here as, apart from wondering
offoff the original topic, I feared it would excede the file size allowed
on
this list!
Ray
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Angel"
Libraries give books for free because of their community obligation, not
because of a human rite any may have. Have you tried to get the books
you
seek from sources like Audible.com. The people there have gone out of
their
way to make their site and books accessible to us. There is no rational
explanation for stealing.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Damon Rose"
Why shouldn't access to the latest cultural input be seen as a human
right? Libraries give reference books and novels out for free for similar
reasons, surely?
What about classic books of our time, thos that are social commentaries
such as 1984 or Catcher in the Rye? They're touchstones in common
parliance,
using the term 'big brother society' uses a character from a novel to
shortcut, yet also add colour to, an explanation about a complicated
concept
that was neatly wrapped up by Orwell.
Books like Turn of the Century in 1999 really tapped into the
technological and social zeitgeist.
Books such as Fast Food Nation or Jon Snow's autobiography Shooting
History, for instance, are not exactly reference books but contain an
awful
lot of important and significant commentary and information.
It's hard to draw the line and there's no good reason to continue to
make
books inaccessible.
I would prefer to pay publishers and authors for their work so that they
will continue to publish great books. I would like authors to benefit
from
my individual purchase. But if books are inaccessible then they kind of
have to accept that we steal their texts.
In a lot of ways, they are stealing things away from us in the first
place, we're just steeling it bak again.
...Damon
-----Original Message-----
Angel
How do you figure having access to the latest novels or whatever you
want
to read is a basic human rite. In which constitution does it say this?
If
you can't read print you can either purchase a scanner and reading
software,
or go to the library and use their equipment for such pursuits. Though
basic literacy has been found to be a basic human rite being able to read
your favorite novel is not.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Damon"
> Yes, it's a shame isn't it.
>
> I download illegally shared eBooks too because I can't read print.
>
> Access to knowledge and culture is a human right and, I'd say we can't
> really describe it as thievery. I'd describe it as taking something
> that should rightfully be in our domain anyway.
>
> It's only thievery if one can get it thru the normal means. If you
> are denied access to it, yet fundamentally it should be a human right,
> then
you
> have to be creative and inventive about gaining access to it.
>
> ...Damon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angel"
>
> > I would hate to think that to become a part of society one must
> > resort
to
> > thievery.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > > I use exactly the same argument regarding downloading tv shows on
> > BitTorrent. If the manufacturers and service providers of things
> > like
> TiVo
> > and Sky Digital don't bother to make their products accessible then
> > I'll steal their content from elsewhere in order that I can be part
> > of this
> here
> > society. Thank you. And yes I'd be happy to see what a courtroom
> > made
of
> > that too.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > Of Tyrer, Jonathan
> > > Sent: 13 April 2005 15:42
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >
> > >
> > > I wonder if I should turn myself into the police for pirating
> > > music
from
> > the Net. None of the pay for music sites are accessible so I am
> > forced
to
> > steal music instead. I'd like to go to court for that I think!
> > >
> > > JT
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > Damon Rose
> > >
> > > Here's another solution. Why don't we just all sue Apple? Or
> > > mail
them
> > in our droves? All the faffing around we have to do to gain a weeny
> > bit
> of
> > access, whilst still giving these companies our money, really really
bugs
> > the hell out of me.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
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