"Ray's Home" Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle >ready to go?
2. What's DLA for? OK, it isn't that much I know, but surely it goes some way toward compensating for the higher price of visual impairment. This is just such a case.
Justin
I'm against any business being called >on to be 'charitable'. Businesss is >business, thilanthropy. Ust as well when >you look at 'our' (laugh) RNIB.
Justin
Ray
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Damon" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 6:00 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
70% of blind men are unemployed tho. 90% of blind women ... according to the
last stats I saw. Hence books should be available at a reasonable price.
Anyhoo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Angel" <angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:16 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
Not necessarily. A blind person must be especially creative when looking
for employment as many jobs are closed to him for one reason or other.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:57 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> Blindness is also synonymous with poverty.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf
> Of Angel
> Sent: 15 April 2005 15:54
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
>
>
> I agree, but blindness is synonymous with expensive, and inconvenient.
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tyrer, Jonathan" <Jonathan.Tyrer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 4:30 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
>
>
> > I have no problem paying for books - book sharing isn't about > > getting
> > free
> books. What really pisses me off though is having to spend three
> bleeding hours scanning the bugger in before I can read it!
> >
> > JT
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of Ray's Home
> > Sent: 14 April 2005 16:34
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> >
> >
> > Well Angel, if I might join in, lending libraries here in the UK are > > a
> public service, well what's left of them! The notion of public > service
> has taken quite a pasting here in the last quarter century so, not
> surprisingly, you are often hard pressed to find the latest books > there.
> >
> > As for 'rational' arguments for stealing, well certain theologians > > in
> > the
> middle ages did argue that stealing food for survival was OK, just as
> much as you needed to stay alive that is. I guess Daman is arguing > for
> the right for food for the soul, as man/woman does not live by food
> alone.
> >
> > I can only say that what's left of my reason is down to a lot of
> > reading,
> much of it on tape, when I was very down and depressed. The sheer > farce
> of trying to study at a higher level without anything approaching the
> breadth of material available to other students has to be gone through
> to be believed.
> >
> > I still have just enough sight to buy books in print occasionally > > and
> > its
> certainly a sad fact that your average high street bookshop these days
> has many times more books available to buy than we get our hands on in
> all the various formats. I just wonder how much those here would be
> prepared to pay to own a copy if that were an option. Seems to me > that
> unabridged audio books are always going to be at a premium price
> although I do not see that the margin has to be as high as it is now.
> >
> > Obviously, this is a very involved subject when you get down to it. > > I
> just wonder how greater percentage of text material can and will be > made
> available, and more to the point, how? Taking the risk of > resurrecting
> the format wars here, Braille versus audio versus computer etc. just > how
> will the extreme demand for stuff in whatever format we want hold up > to
> reality?
> >
> > By the way, I've shortened the whole message here as, apart from
> > wondering
> offoff the original topic, I feared it would excede the file size
> allowed on this list!
> > Ray
> >
> > Personal emails: Email me at
> > mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Angel"
> >
> > > Libraries give books for free because of their community > > > obligation,
>
> > > not because of a human rite any may have. Have you tried to get > > > the
>
> > > books
> you
> > > seek from sources like Audible.com. The people there have gone > > > out
> > > of
> their
> > > way to make their site and books accessible to us. There is no
> > > rational explanation for stealing.
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Damon Rose"
> > >
> > >> Why shouldn't access to the latest cultural input be seen as a
> > >> human
> > > right? Libraries give reference books and novels out for free for
> similar
> > > reasons, surely?
> > >>
> > >> What about classic books of our time, thos that are social
> > >> commentaries
> > > such as 1984 or Catcher in the Rye? They're touchstones in common
> parliance,
> > > using the term 'big brother society' uses a character from a novel
> > > to shortcut, yet also add colour to, an explanation about a
> > > complicated
> concept
> > > that was neatly wrapped up by Orwell.
> > >>
> > >> Books like Turn of the Century in 1999 really tapped into the
> > > technological and social zeitgeist.
> > >>
> > >> Books such as Fast Food Nation or Jon Snow's autobiography > > >> Shooting
> > > History, for instance, are not exactly reference books but > > > contain
> > > an
> awful
> > > lot of important and significant commentary and information.
> > >>
> > >> It's hard to draw the line and there's no good reason to continue
> > >> to
> make
> > > books inaccessible.
> > >>
> > >> I would prefer to pay publishers and authors for their work so > > >> that
> they
> > > will continue to publish great books. I would like authors to
> > > benefit
> from
> > > my individual purchase. But if books are inaccessible then they
> > > kind of have to accept that we steal their texts.
> > >>
> > >> In a lot of ways, they are stealing things away from us in the
> > >> first
> > > place, we're just steeling it bak again.
> > >>
> > >> ...Damon
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > Angel
> > >>
> > >> How do you figure having access to the latest novels or whatever
> > >> you
> want
> > > to read is a basic human rite. In which constitution does it say
> > > this?
> If
> > > you can't read print you can either purchase a scanner and reading
> software,
> > > or go to the library and use their equipment for such pursuits.
> > > Though basic literacy has been found to be a basic human rite > > > being
> > > able to
> read
> >
> > > your favorite novel is not.
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Damon"
> >
> > >> > Yes, it's a shame isn't it.
> > >> >
> > >> > I download illegally shared eBooks too because I can't read
> > >> > print.
> > >> >
> > >> > Access to knowledge and culture is a human right and, I'd say > > >> > we
> can't
> > >> > really describe it as thievery. I'd describe it as taking
> > >> > something that should rightfully be in our domain anyway.
> > >> >
> > >> > It's only thievery if one can get it thru the normal means. If
> > >> > you are denied access to it, yet fundamentally it should be a
> > >> > human
> right,
> > >> > then
> > >> you
> > >> > have to be creative and inventive about gaining access to it.
> > >> >
> > >> > ...Damon
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: "Angel"
> > >> >
> > >> > > I would hate to think that to become a part of society one > > >> > > must
>
> > >> > > resort
> > >> to
> > >> > > thievery.
> > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > > From: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > I use exactly the same argument regarding downloading tv
> > >> > > > shows on
> > >> > > BitTorrent. If the manufacturers and service providers of
> > >> > > things like
> > >> > TiVo
> > >> > > and Sky Digital don't bother to make their products > > >> > > accessible
> > >> > > then I'll steal their content from elsewhere in order that I
> > >> > > can be part of this
> > >> > here
> > >> > > society. Thank you. And yes I'd be happy to see what a
> > >> > > courtroom made
> > >> of
> > >> > > that too.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > Of Tyrer, Jonathan
> > >> > > > Sent: 13 April 2005 15:42
> > >> > > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> > > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPod shuffle ready to go?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I wonder if I should turn myself into the police for > > >> > > > pirating
>
> > >> > > > music
> > >> from
> > >> > > the Net. None of the pay for music sites are accessible so I
> > >> > > am forced
> > >> to
> > >> > > steal music instead. I'd like to go to court for that I > > >> > > think!
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > JT
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > Damon Rose
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Here's another solution. Why don't we just all sue Apple?
> > >> > > > Or mail
> > >> them
> > >> > > in our droves? All the faffing around we have to do to gain > > >> > > a
> weeny
> > >> > > bit
> > >> > of
> > >> > > access, whilst still giving these companies our money, really
> really
> > >> bugs
> > >> > > the hell out of me.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > >
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