So I need to put in yet more work to understand it? Gosh. How many more hours? This isn't good news. ...Damon ________________________________ From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Holdstock Sent: 22 February 2010 12:10 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: iPhone lack of control of web pages An hour is no where near long enough to get used to the iphone. Making calls really is very quick and easy once you are used to it and no the shortcuts. Peter From: Damon Rose <mailto:damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 9:13 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] iPhone lack of control of web pages Hi there. I had the opportunity of using an iPhone at the weekend for about an hour - with voiceover enabled. There are some really good things about it like the iTunes and Apple iStore access. I thought the compass was quite cute. Making a phone call wasn't as simple as I would have liked it to be on a phone. And being as there weren't any physical buttons, bar the home button, it meant that I found myself flicking a lot between menu options rather than using the thing. Oh and it has to be said that the onscreen qwerty keyboard input is really very second rate compared to using a regular phone input. But it was more accessible than I had thought and I liked it for multimedia content. The thing I use my phone for mostly is web access. I wonder if anyone can help me with this. Somehow, navigating around a page and reading it just isn't as simple as a regular phone with Talks on it. For instance, I was able to use a two finger upward flick to get to the top of the page, an a two finger downward flick to read from the selected point downwards, but what if I want to go up a couple of lines, say, back to the beginning of a paragraph? Tracing upwards with one finger seems a little haphazard and ineffective. Is there a solution? It feels to me like we're expected to sit back and listen a lot rather than try an navigate quickly and skim through a web page - which is the experience I have on a PC and on my Nokia Talks enabled phone. I can't bear sitting back and having no control. If there is a solution to this accessible desert land between where you are on a page and the top of the page, then please let me in on it! Best ...Damon Damon Rose Senior Content Producer bbc.co.uk/ouch BBC Vision Learning Tel: 020 8752 4427 (x0224427) email: damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx Have you heard the award-winning Ouch Podcast yet? A razor sharp disability talk show presented by Mat Fraser and Liz Carr: www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/podcast <file://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/podcast> http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.