Hi Andy. The trick is to use shift & right arrow to move the start marker and after each keystroke, press spacebar to now hear where the marker is. When you're close to where you want to make the edit, there's an option in the view menu to zoom in and out which has the effect of making the shift & right arrow movements smaller in time periods so you can get very accurate with your edit. Again, press spacebar after each time you use the shift & right arrow keystroke to hear where the start marker or end marker is. Think of this as selecting a block of text in microsoft word. When you're ready to save, make sure you choose the right option. Save will just save the whole file again with no change. I think you may have done this according to one of your earlier posts. Save selection is a different option in the file menu which saves the selected part of the file between your start and end marker. It's a piece of cake once you've done it a couple of times and you can get really accurate results. I use this all of the time when making fine edits and it's the same process for either trimming, fading in and out and adding effects. Regards. Kevin E-mail: kevin.lloyd3@xxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Collins To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: gold wave help Terry - when I use shift and right arrow, JAWS just says "selected" without giving any time reading. Peter's way is more accurate and would save you having to "count in your head" as you could just let the file start, and when you get to the end of the bit you want to trim, just press the left bracket, then CTRL t, and that front bit will have been chopped off! - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: terry cooper To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:19 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: gold wave help Hi Andy Actually, the key combination is shift and right arrow, and not control and right arrow. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Lloyd To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 8:02 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: gold wave help Alternatively, use shift + right arrow to move the start marker to the point where you want the file to start. Select Save Selection from the file menu and you're done. This assumes you're wanting to remove a portion from the start of the file. If you want to remove a portion from the end of the file it's a very similar approach but you use control + shift + left arrow to move the end marker inwards to the point at which you want your file to end before choosing Save Selection from the file menu. You could also move the end marker right to the point at which you want to remove the starting segment and press delete. By doing this, you've selected a small portion between start and end markers. Once deleted, you can choose save from the file menu. You can use spacebar repeatedly to listen back to what you currently have selected so you can be sure what you will be saving when you've set your start or end markers. There's an undo option in the edit menu so you can back out any mistakes and try again without doing any harm to your file. As you can see, there's many ways to achieve a simple edit using Goldwave so it's just a case of having a play and seeing what works best for you. Regards. Kevin E-mail: kevin.lloyd3@xxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Collins To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:57 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: gold wave help Terry - don't know if this was addressed to me, but will this help? Start the song playing, when you reach where you want to split the file, pause the track, and go in to the edit menu and under q points is the drop marker option, hit enter on this, and a marker will have been placed at the point where you paused the file. Now go back to the q points menu and hit enter on split file, then tab through to make your selection, and hit enter on the start button or split file button whatever it's called. HTH - Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: terry cooper To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 3:55 PM Subject: [access-uk] gold wave help Hi Andy, could I mail you off list about this, as its probably not strictly access related. I'm trying to figure out how to cut off part of a track at the beginning of a song. I've done it before, but can't remember how. Just wanted to cut off about ten seconds off the beginning of a song. Thanks Terry