[access-uk] Re: file types was: windows pc vs mac
- From: RAJMUND <brajmund2000@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 09:59:13 +0100
Hello,
But , is it still alive? I mean, its much much older than doc.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Griffith <daj.griffith@xxxxxxxxx>
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 24 October 2014 9:57 am
Subject: [access-uk] Re: file types was: Re: windows pc vs mac
>
>
> Obviously txt gives a basic access but is a very difficult format to deliver
> very common sorts of information, including for example information provided
> in a table format. This could simply be a cricket scorcard or a week event
> listing of even a TV Guide.
> Tables set out in a htmor html format are far more friendly for a screen
> reader user than txt, including the ability to read column and row title
> information easily.
>
> Also navigation by headings etc are friendlier and easier in html html.
> The world we live in abounds in tables, especially in work and study. If we
> insist on text as the standard format we are building in barriers to
> accessing this information.
> In the end for people only used to text documents there is nothing they
> cannot in html that they cannot do in txt documents but they then do have
> the option to learn more efficient skills for accessing content.
>
> David Griffith
>
> On 24 Oct 2014, at 09:43, RAJMUND <brajmund2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > Now, regarding these, I have a question. How is txt doing?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Griffith <daj.griffith@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Friday, 24 October 2014 6:16 am
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: windows pc vs mac
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> My own view on accessible formats is that doc is unfortunately whilst
> >> familiar to us old timers dying a death as the years go by. Whilst
> >> legacy support still exists it has not been used as the main Word format
> >> for any main word processor 8 years now and show no sign of making a
> >> comeback.
> >> Personally I recommend for optimum read accessibility htm or html which
> >> supports all the useful navigation elements of reading by heading and
> >> tables etc on any browser supported by a screenreader. If someone cannot
> >> use these commands they can use arrow keys as in a normal document but at
> >> least you have the options.
> >> If the document needs to be editable I always recommend rtf as this is
> >> freely editable on all main platforms with full support for the vast
> >> majority of features. They can be freely read by WordPad onWindows and
> >> TextEdit on the mac still uses it as its default format.
> >>
> >> David Griffith
> >>> On 24 Oct 2014, at 00:08, RAJMUND <brajmund2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>> How about a 97/2003 .doc file? Would that not be better than anything
> >>> else? There are still a lot of people with Xp, after all.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: mjw <matthewjwilliams101@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Date: Friday, 24 October 2014 12:05 am
> >>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: windows pc vs mac
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I was actually thinking of others on the list. I myself use QRead which
> >>>> handles PDFs quite well.
> >>>> But in answer to your question, I think the old ASCII format is still
> >>>> the safest choice as far as the vast majority of us screen readers are
> >>>> concerned. If the text has headings and tabular formattings then you
> >>>> could try html which is also very usable these days. I just feel PDF is
> >>>> far too slow and unstable to manage.
> >>>> Kind regards, Matt
> >>>> At 23:56 23/10/2014, you wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> @Matt.what formal would you prefer the guide be in, I can maybe
> >>>> investigate the possibility of conversion to an alternative format.
> >>>> On 23/10/2014 23:40, mjw wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Would it be possible to offer a more usable format to our friends on the
> >>>> list? I would be happy to help with the conversion.
> >>>> Matt
> >>>> At 15:32 23/10/2014, you wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> if anyone is interested I have a derailed document on the voiceover
> >>>> features for the mac, however I should point out that it is in pdf
> >>>> format. I can either post a link to the file to the group or if
> >>>> preferred can send a copy via email to people individually off list.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just ask. ( smile)
> >>>> On 23/10/2014 15:07, David Griffith wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> There are pos and cons of having a Mac but nowadays I tend to spend more
> >>>> time on the Mac than Windows as I increasingly prefer the OS.
> >>>> Of course the Mac can also runWindows, even with the Mac OS if you use
> >>>> Fusion so you can have the best of both worlds..
> >>>>
> >>>> However there is a definite learning curve to learning to use the Mac. I
> >>>> got a Mac ;in 2011 and I am still learning all the time. If you have
> >>>> some sight transferring to the Mac will not be so much of a learning
> >>>> curve but using Voiceover is very different from using Windows
> >>>> Screenreaders. In some areas voiceover is more powerful than any Windows
> >>>> screenreader but in others less so. What is undeniable is that you need
> >>>> to learn a whole new skill set, people often forget how much they
> >>>> invested in learning Windows and a similar effort will be required to
> >>>> get the most out of OS and Voiceover.
> >>>> iTunes is most definitely accessible an as are the majority of
> >>>> applications which come from Apple.
> >>>>
> >>>> I copy below some Podcasts I have done on using the Mac which may give
> >>>> you an idea. There are a couple on iTunes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Podcast List
> >>>>
> >>>> Using Safari on the Mac Part 5. Strategies for using and customising
> >>>> the Reading List.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/wmbw5w
> >>>>
> >>>> Previous Podcasts
> >>>> Using Safari on the Mac Part 4. Flexible Web with Sweet spots and Reader
> >>>> commands.
> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/alr2yi
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Using Safari on the Mac Part 3 Bookmarking part 2- Launching bookmarks
> >>>> and bookmarks folders from the Desktop / or the Dock.
> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/04aj3b
> >>>>
> >>>> Blank URL document template to use if dragging and dropping does not
> >>>> work on your Mac to create bookmark shortcuts.
> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/gvj63a
> >>>>
> >>>> Using Safari on the Mac Part 2 . Bookmarking Part 1 Bookmarking,
> >>>> organising bookmark folders and
> >>>> and organising quick access to Favourite web sites through the
> >>>> Favourites bar keystrokes.
> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/fpye9z
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Using Safari on the Mac Part 1 - The pros and cons of Quick Nav and the
> >>>> Web rota.
> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/qtftnl
> >>>>
> >>>> Using VLC to play upto 1000 Radio Stations on the Mac
> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/uev995
> >>>>
> >>>> Working Radio Stream Folder and sub folders containing over 1,000 Radio
> >>>> Streams as explained in the above Podcast.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/8v58fh
> >>>>
> >>>> Using VLC to play an RNIB Talking Books on the Mac with Variable Speed.
> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/kve0ky.
> >>>>
> >>>> Easy Music Listening with Column Browser in iTunes
> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/gp431y
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> iTunes Part 2 Using Playlist to listen to RNIB and Mp3 Talking Books
> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/e6kohy
> >>>>
> >>>> Spell Checking on the Mac Part 1
> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/uuul6e
> >>>> Spell Checking on the Mac Part 2
> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/z5wvc8
> >>>>
> >>>> Part 3 Proof Reading on the Mac.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/b3m395
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> An Introduction to the QFeed RSS Newsreader on the Mac
> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/02uu48
> >>>>
> >>>> Adding an RSS Feed from Safari to QFeed.
> >>>> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/tr5unm
> >>>> on
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 23 Oct 2014, at 14:45, Tassie da hiphop kid <tassie@xxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey y'all.
> >>>> I'm looking for pros and cons of windows vs mac. I currently have a
> >>>> windows pc with windows 7 and an iphone. I cannot use itunes at all
> >>>> with nvda on windows and therefore my iphone is inaccessible with a pc.
> >>>> I am thinking of getting a mac to make my apple life easier. Is itunes
> >>>> fully accessible on a mac? What pros and cons for either system are
> >>>> there. I don't want to spend a grand and then wish i hadn't when i
> >>>> could get a beast of a pc for 500.
> >>>>
> >>>> I currently use programs such as firefox, wavepad, winamp, thunderbird,
> >>>> wordpad, skype, etc. I don't use office so the fact i've heard it isn't
> >>>> too accessible on a mac isn't an issue for me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks, Louise.
> >>>>
> >>>>
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