Hi Ok firstly, ebay and I have almost gone through the full system, the dispute was escalated to ebay customer services last week, they sent me a pre-paid label to return the usb thumb drive to the seller but because it was for parcel force, the french post office wouldn't accept it so I had to post the package along with two others for amazon back to my friend in the uk who until now hasn't received them, the dead line is on Sunday the 28th of July, I doubt ebay will get them in time, I will try and phone them tomorrow to try and explain once more that I needed assistance to package the items up and the fact that I had to post them to the uk first but I doubt they will listen, as you said, I may have to right the money off, will see. In spite of what you said, the 3 experiences I have had with ebay products or items sold on ebay have all been bad in one way or another so I doubt very much I will ever use ebay again. Not for electronics in any case. Just my feeling or point of view. If I can't get my money back through ebay I may try paypal but I don't think I'll have any joy there either. Not a very good experience. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 2:33 AM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: ebay help wanted Hi Adrian. Whether you will be able to get your money back will depend very much on whether you are dealing with an individual or business seller on EBay. EBay is a trading platform, so any disputes that arise from the sale of goods need to be resolved with the seller. Have you tried writing to the seller by sending them an email from the order summary page explaining the situation? If you cant deal with the seller or there is a communications breakdown where in you cant resolve the situation to your mutual satisfaction, you should then proceed to make a claim by filing a dispute with PayPal. Again, whether this is worth doing will depend whether the seller is covered by the PayPal buyer protection scheme which not all are depending on seller reputation. I have had to resort to this process on a few occasions over the years, it is long and arduous yes, but if you have a valid claim and the goods are indeed defective or fake, you should be able to get a refund. If the goods weren't of considerable value, you could also just write it off and put it down to experience. If the seller has posted the goods to you in France, unfortunately they'll expect you to post the goods back to them in which ever country they choose. Being blind and needing assistance to package up the goods I'm afraid is not something that they'll be interested in hearing, they sent the goods to you and so long as you send the goods back to them in the same condition they arrive in, you should be fine. If you still have the packaging, it might be a good idea to take pictures of the goods and packaging in case that the inadequacy of the packaging is something you want to make an issue of. I hope the above tips help you, I am a seasoned EBay buyer and while I can say that I have had bad experiences, and who hasn't? I can say that for the most part EBay is a great place to find bargains from individuals and businesses alike, also some businesses exclusively trade on EBay since it provides all the tools and features needed for a growing and developing business where e-commerce is concerned. All the best, Ibrahim. -----Original Message----- From: Adrien Collins Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 9:43 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: ebay help wanted Hi Derik Paying for goods but you don't expect to get a fake item and when you try and explain to ebay themselves what disabilities you have and that you need time to get assistance to package goods up to return them and they just simply ignore it, then where does that leave us? I wrote to them twice on Monday and to date I have not received a single response. Regards Adrien -----Original Message----- From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Derek Hornby Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:51 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: ebay help wanted In what way is ebay discriminating against the disabled? And to keep on topic, we are talking about Technology aren't we! They are treating us same as other customers, (and no different to any other company that Sells goods via the internet) Let's not forget, when we place an oorder (or paid the seller) we are then agreeing To terms and conditins. Regards, Derek -----Original Message----- From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Martin Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 1:07 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: ebay help wanted Hi All I have had this problem for about 3 years regarding how ebay treat disabled customers. I even took legal advice to try taking legal action against ebay for not complying with the disability access laws, but the solicitor said it would take too much money to take on sucha giant, and as they are not based in UK, it would be very difficult to enforce any laws to win the battle. I did inform RNIB to take up the case, but they have done pretty much nothing. After further advice, I was informed, the only way to resolve this matter, would be to take this to the press and give reports about how such a large company can flaunt disability access laws. However, it would take a pertition to make this viable. I even thought about pertitioning my MP to bring companies like this to justice, but with what has been happening with large companies like this not even paying their taxes, I doubt if action would be taken. However, I feel we should all create a petition and lobby ebay, so they have to listen to us as a mass group of disillussioned people, rather than as individuals, where they have no intention of doing anything. Unfortunately, money talks and ebay have a lot of moneyy to continue ignoring the law. Sorry for the rant, but it makes me sick, trying to challenge companies like ebay and betfair, who make millions, but are just greedy and do not care about their customers. Maartin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrien Collins" <adriencollins22160@xxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 12:50 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: ebay help wanted > Hi Simon > > Yes I have tried speaking with them on the phone but it goes > over the top, gets quite frustrating trying to get through > to them, they just don't listen. > > Regards > > Adrien > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of goshawk > on horseback > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:58 AM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: ebay help wanted > > that's why I would suggest contacting them by phone instead, > as then they > can't just do that. > > Simon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrien Collins" <adriencollins22160@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:43 AM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: ebay help wanted > > > Hi Simon > > Yes I have tried that, I don't get any response when I tell > them about my disabilities, tried 3 times yesterday, no go, > e-mailing I think they just ignore it in spite of the > automatic response message, oh well, their loss. > > Regards > > Adrien > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of goshawk > on horseback > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:14 AM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: ebay help wanted > > don't hold your breath for one, you would be better off > calling them and > putting them on the spot that way, although even then, I > doubt you will get > any real help then either. > > Simon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrien Collins" <adriencollins22160@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 8:02 AM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: ebay help wanted > > > Hi Simon > > Yes I wrote to them twice yesterday explaining my problems > and where as amazon got back to me regarding a slightly > different issue straight away, I haven't had a response as > yet at from ebay, very poor. Makes you wonder doesn't it? > > Regards > > Adrien > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of goshawk > on horseback > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:19 AM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: ebay help wanted > > that is what I have actually said to them directly, a number > of times. I > have also said that I would be happy to help them in any way > I can, to > improve things for VI customers, but they are just not > interested. > > Simon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrien Collins" <adriencollins22160@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 3:27 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: ebay help wanted > > > Hi Simon > > Yes I am finding that out, not very helpful, it makes me > very reluctant to use ebay again. > > Regards > > Adrien > > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of goshawk > on horseback > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 3:55 PM > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: ebay help wanted > > no, they don't! they seem to think that taking notice of the > needs of > disabled customers is beneath them unfortunately. that has > been my > experience anyway. > > Simon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrien Collins" <adriencollins22160@xxxxxxxxx> > To: "'access uk'" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:50 PM > Subject: [access-uk] ebay help wanted > > > Hi > > Does anyone know if ebay has a department who deals with > special needs issues? I recently purchased an item from ebay > and have to return it but am finding that when I explain > that things may take longer because I have to get > assistance, and also because I am in France, I feel like I > am hitting my head against a brick wall. 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