hi darren and andrew, i thought this might be the case with jb3! ah well. jb2 is still around so i might go for that. i've looked at the zen models, some from what i can gather use a touch screen which would also make them inaccessible. at least that's how i interpreted the specs. not all do so i may take another look. email or msn kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx cheers - kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hodgson" <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: creative nomad jukebox 3 Hi Kevin, I have had one for around two years now, no it isn't accessible due to the scroll wheel, as everything is done pritty much through this, I have to use glasses when operating it. Not sure how much better the Zen is to operate, but I would generally say simpler the better. Andrew. ** To leave the list, send a message to:- ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, send a message to:- ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq