[access-uk] Re: chip & PIN

  • From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:29:34 +0100

First Trust offer a similar unusable method.

The last imte I looked at their site, to setup transfers to a new account 
you had to get this scratch card type thing from the bank.

These things are all well and good ideas but it's behaviour of the end user 
that matters most.

People aren't taking responsabilitys for their behaviour online.  For all 
sorts of reasons but this seems to be the main cause of ID theft.

Technologys a tool not another human that'll take care of everything for 
you, including being safe.

Dj Paddy
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ian Macrae" <ian.macrae1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:18 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: chip & PIN


The problem with this seems to me to be that the box will generate and 
display a code which then has to be read and inputted into the website.  Not 
great for blindies.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Derek Hornby
  To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:06 PM
  Subject: [access-uk] chip & PIN

  Hi All
  The following was in today's  Daily  Telegraph 19 April 2007)
  I do hope there are no access problms for the blind, but i  think there 
are.

  Customers get chip and pin boxes
  David Derbyshire Consumer Affairs Editor

  BARCLAYS Bank is giving out hand-held chip and pin readers to half a 
million
  customers in an attempt to crackdown on internet banking fraud.

  The devices, which resemble calculators, will be used to log onto the
  Barclays
  website and to make payments to new accounts for the first time.

  Barclays says the chip and pin readers will avoid the need for passwords
  and launch a new era in online banking security.

  The Royal Bank of Scotland is introducing similar devices later this year,
  while other banks are expected to tighten up their security in the coming
  months. More than 17 million people regularly use internet banking in
  Britain. While the industry claims that internet banking is safe, 33 
million
  pounds  was stolen from online customers last year.

  Most of that fraud took the form of "phishing attacks'', in which
  customers replied to fake emails purporting to be from their bank
  asking for confidential information.

  The Barclays chip and pin reader will initially be sent to small
  business and personal customers who want to make a payment to
  another person or business for the first time.

  Customers who only use online banking to check their balances and
  pay bills to established, third-party accounts will not need the device.

  The reader is designed to be used with a debit card. After a card
  has been swiped, the customer enters a four-digit personal
  identification number. The reader then generates an eight-digit
  code, which has to be entered on the website.

  The code changes each time the chip and pin device is used. It is
  time sensitive and has to be entered within a couple of minutes
  before it becomes useless.

  Barclays declined to say how much the chip and pin reader costs,
  but insisted that online banking would remain free. Two years ago
  Lloyds TSB asked its online customers to us a key-ring sized
  device, which generates a new, six-digit code every 30 seconds.

  The internet security company, Sophos, said the new devices would
  reduce but not eliminate the risk of fraud.

  "Keyboard logging spyware and phishing emails won't be effective
  if user pass codes keep changing,'' said Graham Cluley, of Sophos.

  "However, chip and pin devices do not prevent all identity theft.
  Spyware can still steal screen shots of what bank customers are
  doing online and can capture account information to use for
  fraudulent purposes.''

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