Totally agree John. I don’t know how I would have done my exams at school
without braille. Sometimes you just have to flick from page to page to get the
information you require and I agree, it certainly sticks in the brain better if
you actually read it rather than listen.
Jo
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From: John Ramm
Sent: 22 November 2018 11:05
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille labels
Hi Alison and all
First, I'd like to thank Alison for such a
measured, patient and kind message in response to
Alexandra. As a blind father of four daughters,
one of whom is blind too, I have often imagined
telling sighted people that print is dead now
that they have computers and dictation. The
trouble is, you just wouldn't do itbecause
computer screens use print just like printed
paper whereas the advent of speech means that we
now use a computer or phone one way and it's not
usually braille. I use all sorts of ways to try
to get the information I want in order to live my
life, but I still have a Perkins to hand, and
when I'm teaching people to play drums by getting
them to play along to music it's very handy to be
able to drive my phone with a braille display so
that they don't have to be deafened by speech
every time I want to select a different track or pause the one I'm playing.
I don't know whether there is any research to
prove this, but I believe that there is a
qualitative difference between what I retain when
I read something in braille and when I listen to
it using speech. So yes, speech is wonderful, but
I will fight to keep my right to use braille
until sighted people give up pen and paper!
Talk soon, John
At 09:21 22/11/2018, you wrote:
Oh Alexandra, you've opened a can of worms here (smile)!.
Am I right in assuming that you yourself are not a braille user?
It is true to say that only 4 per cent of those
registered blind are totally without sight, but
as there are around a million registered sight
impaired people in the UK, that's still a
significant number. Even those with some useful
sight may still find accessing print almost impossible.
Braille, in my opinion at least, is only
becoming a dinosaur because most people lose
their sight later in life and there is a dire
shortage of people who can teach it.
Braille used to be expensive and cumbersome to
produce, but With the arrival of cheaper
braille displays, the argument that it is
expensive to produce no longer holds.
There are scores of reasons why braille is still
relevant, some of which being:
How does a child learn to spell if it never sees a word written down?
How does a person play cards or scrabble etc. without braille?
How would I read back the pieces I have created
in my Creative Writing Class without access to braille?
How do I read the words to a new song I am
learning in my choir without braille?
How would a deafblind person have access to
books and magazines without braille?
How would I quickly have access to credit card
numbers when on the phone without having to
resort to switching on the computer?
How do I quickly find a CD, a cooking ingredient
etc. without having to first hunt for something like a Pen Friend?
The list goes on!
Without wanting to cause offence, most of those
who argue that braille is a dinosaur are rehab.
Workers who haven't bothered to learn it so they
can teach it, or those who, for one reason or
other, have chosen not to learn it.
It's true that I personally don't read many
books these days but I still subscribe to
several braille magazines, a still prefer
manuals for new pieces of kit or anything else
which needs to be learnt to be in braille, and I
value being able to check my bank statements in
braille - and there are few things nicer than
receiving a braille letter form an old friend which I can read myself.
Braille will only die out if we let it.
Alison
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Aleksandra Surla
Sent: 21 November 2018 15:43
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille labels
Alison,
Braile is becoming obsolete, most of people
think it is useless to learn, why would they bother if they can use dictation?
Also, nowadays, most people who claim they are
blind, can actually see quite a lot in
comparison to those with no light perception.
I guess we will just have to accept that we are
a minority even within a visually impaired
community and that everything that matters
nowadays is expensive equipment that brings lots
of profit to the companies an dnot cheap and simple solutions.
I realise I risk being thrown off the list, but
I just could not keep quiet any longer.
Aleksandra
On 21/11/2018, George Bell <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Alison,impossible to read. So it does seem to vary.
In both bad cases you mention, this is poor quality control by the
producer and box manufacturer.
With regard to the labels which, if produced in the UK, the same
applies, but resolving the issue should be much quicker since the
majority use equipment and software supplied from within the U.K..
Such issues should ideally be taken up with the MHRA Medicines and
Healthcare products Regulatory Authority.
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/medicines-and-healthcare-p
roducts-regulatory-agency
George
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of
CJ&AA MAY
Sent: 21 November 2018 13:11
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille labels
braille embossed on the box, and is quite proud. However, the box
containing a tube of antihystermine is very faint and another box of
tablets has a braille label and is virtually
None of these are foil labels, which to my mind are the most robust.** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:-
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<access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> On Behalf Of
George Bell
Sent: 21 November 2018 09:28
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille labels
Are you referring to braille on the actual box itself, or labels
applied on to the box?
Be assured that if we were to do as I suggested, we would certainly
test them here before we sold them.
George
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<access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> On Behalf Of
CJ&AA MAY
Sent: 20 November 2018 19:28
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille labels
They are George, but sometimes the braille is quite faint and not
particularly easy to read.
Alison
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille labels
Again, I should add that brailleable paper labels are also used in the
pharmaceutical industry where the ink-print first and emboss afterwards.
The labels are naturally of a thicker grade of paper.
George
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Paper labels are useless for any long term labelling though, arenât
they, Anna?
When I was working, all my files were labelled and I also kept a card
index system with basic contact information which I used the foil CD
labels for they were just the right size. And, because they were
foil, if I had to contact someone months or even years after the card
was created, the braille was still nice and sharp to read. A paper
label would have been much less likely to survive.
Alison
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<access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> On Behalf Of
Annabel (Redacted sender "annabel.amy" for DMARC)
Sent: 20 November 2018 16:31
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille labels
The only solution I can find is buying paper labels from a stationers,
they donât last like the plastic ones did then. Annabel Sent from my
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On 20 Nov 2018, at 16:29, CJ&AA MAY
<chrisalismay@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:chrisalismay@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I use the labels for all sorts of things, and canât believe that this
is the only option left. Iâll see what they look like when they come
but if it means I have to cut down a Perkins-sized sheet to size every
time I want a label, it will be a real faff and very wasteful too.
Alison
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<access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> On Behalf Of
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille labels
I stopped selling them awhile ago Alison, I was very disgusted about
it also as are used to so many things. Annabel.
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On 20 Nov 2018, at 16:20, CJ&AA MAY
<chrisalismay@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:chrisalismay@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Iâm flabberghasted!
I rang RNIB this afternoon to order cd-sized self-adhesive labels, as
I have run out.
Not only donât they sell these anymore, but they also donât sell
virtually any others either. for example the long strips or the sheet
of 4 or 6 labels. The only self-adhesive labels they now sell are a
Perkins-sized sheet.
I label my CDs, my herbs and a myriad of other things. Am I really
going to have to cut bits off Perkins-sized sheets in future?
Alison
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