Hello George,
Also, I, is capitalised. So something like i went to the shop, in theory, would
be incorrect. It should be I went to the shop. I personally find capitals
useful.
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From: George Bell <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Saturday, 25 July 2015 3:26 pm
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
Hi Alison,
Without capitals, how would a braille reader know that iPhone, iPad, and such
like are spelling with a lower case letter I, followed by upper case P. and
the rest lower case?
In many cases it doesn't matter, but when the braille user is writing print,
or using a braille to print device or program, it looks like sloppy typing.
The RNIB are doing SEB to UEB one day courses, as are a few others.
George
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
CJ &AA MAY
Sent: 25 July 2015 09:31
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
I have no problem with the use of the capital indicators in children's books
although I learnt braille as a ten-year-old and later trained as a shorthand
typist and never had any problems learning where to capitalise. But I see
little benefgit to adult material being capitalised.
It's quite challenging for me at the moment as I am in the middle of teaching
Braille to two adults and am using the Fingerprint books. I've needed to
unteach and for of the with and have to keep the UEB guidelines with me to
remind me which of the lower cells are no longer in use.
Is there a teaching course for the UEB system?
Alison
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Dave Sheridan
Sent: 24 July 2015 23:30
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
Hi Alison
Having worked in education all my life as a teacher and for the last 15 years
of this as a braille teacher I disagree with you. I'm in no doubt that the
capital indicator and others you speak of will be of benefit to children
using braille in schools and colleges. I do accept that for some children
they will cause more confusion than to be of help but as teachers we are able
adjust the learning programme for each individual student.
All the best from Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On 24 Jul 2015, at 19:59, CJ &AA MAY <chrisalismay@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:about
Dave, I received this document too but it wasn't a consultation. The
decision had already been made.
I think we were invited to comment but unlike an earlier consultation
15 years ago, this time we were not in a position to stop EUB beingthe
introduced.
I can see the reasons for introducing UEB, I am just resentful that it
has been imposed upon us. The comparison I quote is all the print
publishers suddenly deciding that all the English-speaking world
should use the same spelling and making a decision that in future all
publications would use
American style of spelling - can you imagine the uproar!capitalisation
As a teacher of braille, I would also argue that the changes really
won't make much difference to the ease of learning braille.
Although I will learn to tolerate the changes to abbreviations and
contractions, I am really resentful about the introduction of
into adult reading material and all the font indicators which are ofOf
absolutely no benefit to the braille reader.
Moan! Moan! Moan!
Alison
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Dave Sheridanable
Sent: 24 July 2015 19:07
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
Hi Peter and all
Firstly Peter, dismissing the UEB code as rubbish without considering
the reasoning behind its implementation is rash and unfair. Regarding
consultation, all I can say is that as I was in receipt of one braille
publication at the time people were surveyed I received my copy and
was
to participate. I can only guess that those braille readers receivingthen
braille books from RNIBs library will also have received the survey
document. Add to this word of mouth from one braille reader to another
I suspect opportunity to participate in the survey was there for ato
significant number of braille users. I am in full agreement with those
who have expressed the unnecessary use of elements of UEB where this
is not needed and George is absolutely correct that there needs to be
clear guidance to transcribers regarding the application of the code
according
the text required to be brailled. So rather than be critical of UEBto
let's embrace it but work together so that it better serves the need
of the recipients by letting transcribers know about elements of the
braille copy that isn't fit for purpose.
All the best from Dave
Sent from my iPhone
On 24 Jul 2015, at 11:53, Peter Beasley <pjbeasley23@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I wonder exactly how many Braille readers were involved in the
decision
change to this rubbish Braille code? I don't read much braille thesein
days apart from my bank statements, and , fortunately, they are still
produced
standard english Braille.bold,
decide when they give the full works, such as the braille simbols for
-----Original Message----- From: Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 11:05 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
Hello all,
Though I'm not wholly against the UEB, I do think publishers need to
italics, underline, and when this would serve no other purpose than toslow
the reader down. If I'm studying, and need to know how to present mywritten
work, I would want the whole code, but why do I need to be botheredthe
with
splurge of dots around every other word when I'm reading a biographydon't
of my favourite singer or cricketer? I also wonder how easy it is for
people to get their heads round excessively dotty Braille when, say,
the sensitivity in their fingers is limited because of diabetes?
free-form text slots, but surveys often don't include those.
These are the sort of things one sometimes wishes one could say in
Of CJ &AA MAY
Best,
Clive
Best,
Clive
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
Sent: 24 July 2015 10:17in which they have been introduced but I'm not going to take part in
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
I don't like the changes and feel quite annoyed about the high-handed
way
this petition because I feel it is too late. I do in actual fact see
the reason behind many of the changes and although I might not like
them, I do accept that in time I will get used to them but I think a
more relevant petition might be to braille publishers for them to use
common sense in that I
want my publications full of italics, boldfacing and other symbolswill
which just slow down my reading speed.
I also would prefer my material non-capitalised but I feel thisis just spitting in the wind - the decision has been made and I fear
petition
we
just have to learn to live with it.mind
AlisonOf Tony Sweeney
my way
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Sent: 24 July 2015 10:08they are trying to develop, or for thesis particularly for the blind
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: braille changes petition
It's a bit like students and the like looking for feedback on IT
projects
in
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Thanks for this, but we now refuse any petitions because then you
get bombarded with so many messages afterwards. It really got so
sickening and took me some while on occasions to fill them in.
It's a shame really, but there you are, we all have to live within
our means.
Carol P
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Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 8:26 PM
Subject: [access-uk] braille changes petition
I thought Braille readers may be interested to take look here:
http://chn.ge/1GD0QEv
It's a petition.
"Rnib: Offer your publications in SEB as well as UEB either
indefinitely or for a grace period.
Offer free UEB conversion courses to long-term Braillists Provide
better learning resources to support conversion from SEB to UEB"
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