[access-uk] Re: airports dong face scans

  • From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:41:07 +0100

I'm sure exceptions will be made. I did have my photograph taken at Norwich 
airport with one empty eye as I had just lost the right eye down a sink in 
the Norwich Holiday Inn. It was quite something to phone up reception at 
5:30 AM and report that I had just lost my right eye down one of their 
plugholes. Fortunately they were able to recover it and put it in the post 
wrapped in a couple of napkins.

As this message is really completely off topic for this list, I must 
immediately apologise.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:12 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: airports dong face scans

I don't know if airports have definite procedures for people who's eyes
cannot be scanned but they should have.

I reported to this list some years back, as well as Vi-gen, that I'd
taken part in tests locally of this new system.  At that time a van was
going round to various places to conduct these tests of the system.  It
would be clear from those tests that some people weren't going to be
able to have their iris's recognized so it isn'nt as if the people
installing and running these systems don't know of this problem.  Maybe
such recognition is used in combination with facial reconition so hats
that obscure part of the face or cast shadows have to be avoided,
amongst other things.

Just think Terminal 5 and all the mayhem that should have been avoided
there, if you want an example of a company being shown to be less than
competant, and how long will it be before it's reported that great delay
or turning away of a passenger on grounds that they do not meet the
system's requirments are going to be reported.

It's been pointed out too that any biometric test is bound to be less
than perfect, i.e. if you've no hands you cannot be finger printed.
Clearly exceptions have to be made.

From Ray
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-----Original Message-----
Subject: [access-uk] Re: airports dong face scans

Agree it can't be very pleasant for airport staff to have to look  at
something like an empty eye socket in one of these pictures, if indeed
do have to see the photograph at all!  It may be that the picture can be
passed over an electronic scanner by the owner without having to have
assistance of airport staff at all!  Don't know this is just a thought
reading your message.
Skype tonycu14
Best wishes to all on the list
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wendy Sharpe" <w.sharpe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:44 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: airports dong face scans

>A friend of mine always wears dark glasses because she couldn't cope
> artificial eye as a child, so one of her sockets is empty.  She
> for
> a new passport recently and, as before, had the photos taken with her
> glasses on.  The form was returned, and she was asked to have the
> re-taken without her glasses.  That must be a lovely sight for the
> staff.
> Wendy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Of
> Jackie Cairns
> Sent: 25 April 2008 15:37
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: airports dong face scans
> Hahahahahaha.  Sorry, but I can't disguise my amusement.  What with my
> artificial eyes, and the metal in my left ankle and back, I'd give
> with a scanner the run-around at an airport no matter what the
> techniques are.
> Jackie
> Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
> Skype Name: Cairnsplace
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Access-Uk@Freelists. Org" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:53 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] airports dong face scans
>> Hi  all
>> The following wa sin The  Guardian today, 25 ~~April 2008
>> Does anyo0ne know  if this  face scan system is likely to have
>> problems for the blind.
>> I mean wold we need to look in a certain direction,  and what aboujt
>> what if one has no eyes?
>> Face scans for air passengers to begin in UK this summer:
>> Officials say automatic screening more accurate than checks by
>> Owen Bowcott
>> Airline passengers are to be screened using automated facial
>> recognition technology rather than identity checks by passport
>> officers, in an attempt to improve security and help ease
>> congestion at airports, the Guardian can reveal.
>> From this summer, unmanned clearance gates will be phased in to
>> scan passengers' faces and match the image to the record held on
>> the computer chip in their biometric passports.
>> Border security officials believe the machines can do a better job
>> of screening passports and preventing identity fraud than humans.
>> The first pilot project will be open to UK and EU citizens
>> holding new biometric passports.
>> But there are concerns that passengers will react badly to being
>> rejected by an automated gate. In order to ensure that no one on
>> a police watch list is incorrectly let through the gates, the
>> technology will err on the side of caution and is likely to
>> generate a small number of "false negatives" - innocent
>> passengers rejected because the machines cannot match their
>> appearance to the records.
>> Those rejected may be redirected into passport queues staffed by
>> control officers, or officers may be authorised to override
>> automatic gates following additional checks.
>> Ministers are eager to set up the first trials in time for the
>> summer holiday rush, but they have not yet decided how many
>> airports will take part in the first phase of the programme. If
>> successful, it will be extended to all UK airports.
>> The automated passport clearance gates will introduce the new
>> security technology to the UK mass market for the first time and
>> may transform the public's experience of airports.
>> Existing biometric, fast-track travel schemes - iris and miSense -
>> are already operating at several UK airports. However, they have
>> been aimed at business travellers who are enrolled in advance.
>> The rejection rate in the trials of iris recognition, which uses
>> the unique images of the iris in each traveller's eye, is between
>> 3% and 5%, although some of these were passengers who had not
>> been previously enrolled in the scheme and jumped queues.
>> Plans for the summer trials emerged at a conference in London this
>> week which brought together the international biometrics
>> industry, senior civil servants involved in border control, and
>> police technology experts.
>> At one session Gary Murphy, the head of operational design and
>> development for the UK Border Agency, explained: "We are planning
>> a trial of facial recognition gates to see if they deliver our
>> requirements. We think a machine can do a better job [than manned
>> passport inspections].
>> "What will the public reaction be? Will they use it? We need to
>> test and see how people react and how they deal with rejection.
>> We hope to get the trial up and running by the summer.
>> "There are also internal staff issues. Will they see it as a
>> threat to their jobs or an opportunity for more interesting work?
>> We want to divert their work to areas where their skills can best
>> be used." Some conference participants feared that passengers
>> would only be fast-tracked forward to the next queue or
>> bottleneck in the UK's overcrowded airport network.
>> The automated gates will enhance the government's progress towards
>> establishing a comprehensive Advance Passenger Information (API)
>> security system that will eventually enable flight details and
>> identities of all passengers to be checked against a security
>> watch list before they take off.
>> At present, what is also known as Project Semaphore, the first
>> stage in the government's e-borders programme, monitors 30m
>> passenger movements a year through the UK. By December 2009, API
>> will be tracking 60% of all passengers and crew movements. The
>> Home Office aim is that by December 2010 the system will be
>> monitoring 95% of passenger movements. Total coverage is not
>> expected to be achieved until 2014 after similar checks have been
>> introduced for travel on "small yachts and private flights".
>> So far around 8m to 10m new UK bio metric passports, containing a
>> computer chip holding the carrier's facial details, have been
>> issued since they were introduced in 2006. The last non-biometric
>> passports will no longer be valid after 2016.
>> Home Office minister Liam Byrne said last night: "Britain's border
>> security is now among the toughest in the world and tougher
>> checks do take time, but we don't want long waits. So the UK
>> Borders Agency will soon be testing new automatic gates for
>> British and European Economic Area [EEA] citizens. We will test
>> them this year and if they work put them at all key ports [and
>> airports]."
>> The EEA includes all EU states as well as Norway, Switzerland and
>> Iceland.

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