I've now received two sets of the Cynaps V2 bone conducting headsets. I'll spend time tomorrow checking them out and will report back. It may sound perverse, but I do think the having to wear a hat when listening could well turn out to be their biggest drawback. The hat itself is a thin cloth baseball style cap but the control unit is hidden in a pocket underneath the peak which makes it look very fat. But I'm looking forward to hearing them once charged. On 1 Oct 2013, at 15:00, Ian Macrae wrote: These look interesting Pete, although I guess you might nt always want to be wearing a hat? Ian Macrae Editor Disability Now 6 Market Road London N7 9PW ++44 20 7619 7760 ext 7760 ++44 7824 900855 www.disabilitynow.org.uk<http://www.disabilitynow.org.uk/> Follow us: @disabilitynow On 1 Oct 2013, at 12:06, pete gurney wrote: hi all, i've just ordered a new type of bone conduction headphones which appear as if they could be pretty good with even better to come. their called the cynaps bluetooth bone conduction system. the reason they don't call them a headset is because they are fitted inside a hat which i believe is like a baseball cap. you can buy the system with or without the hat so if you wanted to you could custermise your own existing hat or cap. but there's only $10 difference in the price and their hat is made especially for the system so you just as well have the version that comes already fitted in the hat. there are 3 hats available black, grey, and white and at the moment they have a special offer on whereby you get all 3 hats plus the bone conduction system for the same price as you would normally pay for one hat plus the system. the special offer price is $79 and unbelievably the standard shipping cost from the USA is only $5 and at the current exchange rate the total cost for me was £53.55 which is nearly half the price of the aftershokz headset. the obvious difference between these 2 systems is whereas the aftershokz's transducers sit on the bones infront of your ears the cynaps transducers are fitted in the band of the hat and sit on the bone behind your ears near the back of your head which means these could be much better for people who wear hearing aids. the controls and battery are fitted in the peak of the hat. whats nice about this system is that it is completely modular so not only can you swap it from one hat to another but you can buy replacement transducers and microphone which just plug in to replace the old ones, plus for anyone who finds it difficult to hear through these type of headphones they sell a pair of super transducers for $20 which have twice the output level of the volume of the standard transducers. they are also shortly about to launch a new system named cynaps enhanced. this new system will not only work as a bluetooth headset but will also work like a pair of bone conduction hearing aids as you can put them into a live listening mode where they will pickup and amplify the ambient sounds around you through twin microphones that will give you a good indication of which direction the sounds are coming from. the new system will cost $199 i believe and i think it can be pre-ordered. the system must be pretty good as it has recently won the top award at a big conference and exhibition for wearable technology in america. their website is: www.maxvirtual.com<http://www.maxvirtual.com/> i did have a bit of trouble completing the order on their site as when you add them to the basket it appears at the bottom of the screen rather than another page and the checkout button along with another button were only spoken as button but once i selected the correct one to checkout the rest of the checkout was fully accessible apart from their paypal express payment wasn't working for some reason but once i told them they turned it off so it would go through the normal paypal checkout and this worked fine. pete. ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> with the Subject:- faq