Hi George, I take your point, but, What I was trying to say did link in with the origeonal subject but I can see what you are saying about the subject lines. I appologise not only to you but also to the moderator. BTW, to keep this on topic, I have tried to download spybot through www.downloads.com and the page I was sent to was not available. Could this have been the page you could not get to either? Alexander Shannon