ok.
this is a kind of a long email.
but lets start from the basic.
1. the windows.old is not there cause u went back to windows 7.
2. when installing windows 10 next time the windows.old folder will be there.
3. pressing windows and enter will start narrator no need of going to
windows u and alt n.
4. before u install since u already lost your jaws key uninstall all
products related to jaws. they are not ready for windows 10.
5. if u are upgrading from windows 7 then u should uninstall jaws as
the video intersept driver is no longer used in windows 8.1 and 10.
6. once u install after your computer boots up for the first time u
should have narrator working within 5 to 10 minutes.
7. never reboot your system cause even when the signing in screen
comes some install opperation is done.
8. if u are upgrading from windows 7 u should say this is not you and
signin with a hotmail or outlook account.
this is importent cause the next time u reinstall windows microsoft
will keep track of your activation using this account
On 7/31/15, G. McFarlane <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi to all you Windows 10 intrepids.
I need help.
I, like you, decided to upgrade last night to Windows 10 and have
encounteredd a few problems. Maybe this miight act as a warning, butI fully
intend to try again so hopefully I, and others, can glean any info that can
help.
Like the resst of you, the initial process went well. I listened to data
noises and hard drive movement till it appeared to stop. Unfortunately at
that point I couldn’t get Narrator to work – windows key and u, followed by
alt n did nothinng. I waited about an hour and fortunately my 6 year old
granddaughter woke up at 3.30 in the morning. I ascertained from her that
the screen was the Windows 10 hello screen. It appeared to be asking if I
was the User (i’m assuming the username of my Window 7 machine) I had the
option to say I wasn’t by ticking the box or continuing. At this point
however nothing worked, so I rebooted, got to the same screen and continued
acknowledging I was the User. Next screens askked if I wanted to set up
personal things eg. video, music etc. I let it do it itself. When I got into
the desktop I was surprised to find I wasn’t asked for my windows password
to access the Windows store as I thought this was a main part of the reason
for the Microsoft upgrade.
This is where things really began to go wrong. I had to install/repair Jaws
3 times before it worked. I was finding I couldn’t use the startmenu and
search function. It always seemed to come up with Courtana. Horror of
horrors, Jaws then asked for an activation code. It had lost my key.
I phoned ssight and sound and they’re dealing with it.
With sighted help now, I discovered that after a reboot most programmes will
work – Windows llive mail, Microsoft Office 10. But when trying to close
them they hang and need a reboot. If I manage to get the programmes to
close, the next load of a relevant file, like another word document, just
hangs the programme, thus needing a reboot of the PC.
Unimpressed, but aware I might have done something wrong, and being willing
to try again, that’s why I’m detailing my experience.
Later I went into Setting, chose the security option, then reverted the PC
back to Windows 7 – after installing Windows 10 you get 30 days to do this
if you don’t like it. It didn’t take too long, but I’ve still lost my jaws
key. Before I install another key I would like to get Window 10 working.
Can anyone see where I might have gone wrong. Should I have said I wasnt’
the Old user so it could get Windows store working etc. Should i have
personalised it more. I probably shouldn’t have rebooted but it did take me
back to the same screen.
To me, the things I was seeing seemed like Windows 10 wasn’t fully
installed. Or was it just the case that Live mail and Office 10 should have
been reinstalled to stop the crashing.
My final point is that now the ‘Windows Old’ directory which waas created to
allow the restore fromWinndows 10 is no longer there. Can anyone see why I
shouldn’t try to upgrade again?
Thanks for reading this. I’m excited by Windows 10 and want to get it
working. This is not a warning to avoid it but to find a way through the
problems to good working properly.
Gordon McFarlane
From: Vanja Sudar
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 1:32 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Windows 10 first impressions
Hello,
As some of you may have been following, I have decided to upgrade one of my
machines to windows 10.
This is just very short review/first impressions write-up.
Upgrading process was relatively painless. As discussed on this list, no
screen reader kicks in automatically, so it’s hit and miss, but after a
couple of hours or when you notice that hard drive activity has died down,
one can press win + enter or win+u then alt+n to launche narrator which will
guide you through the initial setup. After that, once the computer reboots
again, your default screen reader should kick in.
NVDA: though NVDA works perfectly fine with windows 10, Microsoft thinks
that it doesn’t, therefore there are various warnings and notifications
explaining that NVDA will not function properly. Also, a few times a website
may launch in your default browser, pointing to NVDA statement about windows
10.
Jaws for windows: when first launched, jaws will notify you that video
displayed drivers are not installed properly and that you should reboot and
if that doesn’t work, repair it. On one of machines I’ve played with repair
did work, however on another it didn’t. Jaws did not work at all with the
start search screen, so a full reinstall was needed, but once this was done,
it was working fine.
Microsoft edge/web browsing experience: when windows 10 is first installed,
Microsoft edge is set as a default browser. For anyone using screen readers
it is strongly recommended to change this to a browser that was used in
windows 7. There’s plenty of documentation on the web as to how to do this,
so I won’t waste your time.
Office/outlook: in theory, Microsoft office/outlook and all its
functionality should be untouched if you upgraded. I had major issues with
ability to send mail, though this did not affect my Gmail account but my
account that I host myself through my own server, so this may not affect
many people. I have managed to eventually fix this and now office and
outlook are working fine. If anyone is seriously interested about what
happened message me privately or tweet me and I will explain.
Cortana: unfortunately Cortana seems to not be usable at all with screen
readers as it relies on Microsoft edge interface, so it seems like it is
impossible to use with JFW or NVDA. Hopefully this will be fixed soon, as
this could be a very useful part of windows for the blind community. We
already use the voice command feature so much on our IOS and Android devices
and I was really looking forward to testing Cortana to check out how this
functionality will look like in windows, but sadly it seems difficult if not
impossible to test it properly. There is apparently a way to launch Cortana
by voice command, but I haven’t quite had time to investigate this properly
and will report when/if I find out more.
Other windows 10 metro/universal apps: since all other windows 10 universal
apps rely on Edge interface, they are not screen reader friendly at the
moment and it’s best to avoid them.
Old style desktop programs: most of the apps that you may have used on
windows 7 will still be there once you upgrade and will still function. Apps
such as skype for desktop, already mentioned office, winamp, ETC. will work
fine, though I did have to reinstall skype as it was not working properly at
the initial launch.
Twitter clients: it’s important to note a few issues about the qube and
chicken nugget, probably two most popular windows twitter clients. The cube
currently does not even launch with windows 10. Chicken nugget works fine,
however due to the fact that it’s current keystrokes conflict with new
Microsoft windows 10 shortcuts, common chicken nugget keystrokes have to be
changed manually or it needs to be used through the GUI.
I have not had time to test windows 10 with windoeyes, but according to the
manufacturer, windoweyes latest version is windows 10 ready.
There may be things that I have forgotten or things that may interest others
that I haven’t mentioned, so feel free to send me a message on or off list.
You can also find me on twitter at http://twitter.com/internetking
But please bare in mind that, of course, I might not know the answer.
In conclusion: it’s up to you whether you want to upgrade. If you’re not a
geek and have no real need, you don’t have to, though if you want to upgrade
for free you will need to do this before 29th July next year. However, if
you’re a geek, brave and like playing with knew things, hopefully this
little review has helped you and you are aware about what you can expect.
Vanja Sudar
