[access-uk] Re: Window-Eyes VS Jaws - help?
- From: "Peter Logue" <peterlogue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:51:01 -0400
Hi Tony.
Hal with a stand alone synthesizer such as a Deck talk might be just fine.
Its that Hal voice I don't like. The screen reader itself might be okay.
Mind you, it screwed up my computer when I tried to uninstall Orpheus, but
hey...
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Tony Cretney
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 5:44 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Window-Eyes VS Jaws - help?
Hi Peter
I have a demo copy of Supernova here which uses the Orpheus synch. While I
would agree that the sound is not the best. I would not have too much
difficulty getting used to it, and the speeds at which it will read are
quite fast.
I am considering all sorts of things at the moment. While Zoom Text is OK
for my purposes at the moment it is not a fully functional screen reader,
but as has been said already on this thread there is nothing which does
everything. that is needed.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Logue" <peterlogue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 5:03 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Window-Eyes VS Jaws - help?
>
> Yeah, I just paid $310 Canadian to upgrade to Jaws Pro. I feel ripped off,
> sure. I thought perhaps I'd try Hal, but I uninstalled that after 10
> minutes. I just could not stand that Orpheus synth. The tone is
> reminiscent
> of 1980's screen readers.
>
> Peter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> James O'Dell
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:58 AM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Window-Eyes VS Jaws - help?
>
> hi barry
>
> JAWS-bashing is very fashionable at the moment. I recently bought a
> Brailliant braille display from Humanware, so I have I think Window Eyes
> Version five that came bundled with it, so if I wanted to I guess i could
> upgrade it. However, look at how long it has taken GW Micro to put
> propper
> support for Word in place - and even now it doesn't do things like
> automatic
>
> reading of the titles of rows and columns in tables. So for a good few
> years I would have had no option but to use JAWS as I was having to make
> and
>
> use word tables all the time. Freedom Scientific were the first ones to
> come up with the idea of "quick navigation keys" in Internet Explorer, and
> GW copied them. It wouldn't surprise me if we soon see the same
> functionality in gW's support for word, since it has just been introduced
> in
>
> JAWS.
>
> I agree with some of your points - I can't get excited about the Speech
> and
> Sounds Manager and it is ridiculous that those of us who need to use XP
> Pro
> are forced to pay such a high price for access, I think they are taking
> advantage of the fact that JAWS Pro is likely to be purchased by employers
> and educational institutions rather than individuals. MsN Messenger
> Version
>
> 7 support took far too long to arrive. The way JAWS lists and accesses
> available synthesisers also needs reorganisation. JAWS setup file is big,
> but also remember it includes all of the JAWS utilities and their demo
> daisy
>
> reader. The Daisy reader should be an optional, separate installation
> file,
>
> but unfortunately it isn't. Lots of things do break in JAWS, but then
> you
> could argue that there are more things to break in the first place. Can
> you
>
> run window-Eyes from the system tray? Also, as many people have pointed
> out, WE does have quite a few limitations as far as customisation is
> concerned, which means if you have an applicaition that doesn't work so
> well
>
> it is quite hard to do anything about it, and third party developers are
> unlikely to go near it because GW still haven't implemented any system
> that
> allows setfiles to be locked to the product serial number. I have to
> access
>
> dictionaries and reference CD-Roms and the only way I can do that quickly
> and efficiently is with some JAWS scripts that I wrote myself, one of
> these
> applications wouldn't work with Window-Eyes at all.
>
> So basically I would urge anyone to try as many different access products
> as
>
> they can before buying anything. They all have their advantages and
> disadvantages and no one product is going to be right for everyone.
>
> James
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 5:24 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Window-Eyes VS Jaws - help?
>
>
>> Wow!
>>
>> As somebody who's used JAWS for a number of years, (perhaps not as long
>> as
>
>> some), but I consider myself a fairly advanced user of the screnreader my
>> advice is to stick to Window Eyes.
>>
>> I'm waiting on 5.5 being released and I'm making th eswitch. I'll still
>> have JAWS and no doubt will use it from time to time but. Look at the
>> product feature lists, look at what works and what doesn't, look at the
>> customer service and tech support of |GWMICRO Vs Freedom Scientific.
>>
>> Look at past major releases of JAWS and Windoweyes. Who's released what,
>> what's worked and what hasn't. What has been broke in JAWS? With each
>> release of JAWS things are broke.
>>
>> Why? Because they're patching Ancient code over at Freedom. Look at
>> JAW's download size now, what 52meg vs Window Eye's 12meg? That is what
>> is known as bloatware.
>>
>> It's been a long time coming my own switch but I dont' see a successful
>> future for JAWS.
>>
>> The only way out is if they do what Dolphin did. Strip it and re-write.
>> However, I suspect for Freedom it would also take some internal
>> re-focusing. I.E. away from profits and focused on what users want not
>> what they think we should have with nonsense noises for website
>> navigation.
>>
>> Personally I think it would be an awful move for anyone to switch to JAWS
>> now.
>>
>>
>> Dj Paddy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Shashi Gothivarekar" <shashi.g@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "Access list" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Blindtech(List)"
>> <blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Help needed list"
>> <Help_Needed_List@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 6:28 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Window-Eyes VS Jaws - help?
>>
>>
>>> Hi Guys,
>>> I am a Window-Eyes user and have been over many years. Lately, I
>>> am increasingly becoming aware of some serious shortcomings of it,
>>> especially in the department of scripts for various applications. I am
>>> therefore, seriously thinking of moving over to Jaws which, I realise
>>> now, I should have done a long time ago as it appears to be the most
>>> widely used screen reader by the blind community. Anyway better late
>>> than never. My question now is, is there any way I can try Jaws,
>>> before I fork out of hundreds of poundsfor it, and would the trial
>>> version be fully functional? Your responses would be gratefully
>>> appreciated.
>>> Shashi Gothivarekar.
>>> Skype : Ramdasjaya.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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